Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of English football transfers summer 2011


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The result was KEEP. The WP:CRYSTAL arguments fail for the reasons set forth by ClubOranje below, regardless of whether the article is "atrociously titled." postdlf (talk) 03:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

List of English football transfers summer 2011

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Crystal ball material at its finest. Even with pre-contract agreements, it is impossible to write anything resembling a sensible article on this event three months before it happens. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 16:44, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 15:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:CRYSTAL, and it's not unheard of for pre-contracts to be broken/changed etc. GiantSnowman 15:54, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:CRYSTAL, the title of this page basicly says it all summer 2011. – Liam Taylor – 10:31, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - the rationale for deleting this list is crystal-clear! (sorry, couldn't resist it...) &mdash;BETTIA&mdash; talk 13:54, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per List of English football transfers summer 2010 and 2009 and 2008 and... Despite the title, which is mainly to distinguish it from the winter window, the opening paragraph clearly states the criteria for this list "This list includes transfers featuring at least one Premier League or Football League Championship club which are completed after the end of the winter 2010-11 transfer window and before the end of the 2011 summer window." Each and every transfer listed has actually taken place already (with the possible exception of Mason Springthorpe), nothing CRYSTAL about them. Each and every transfer listed is verifiable. Many have inline references and the few I followed the link on had relevant references in the player article. Labelling this CRYSTAL because there are a bunch of transfers to come (which are not yet listed) is akin to labelling 2010–11_Premier_League CRYSTAL because it is not finished yet. This article is only waiting for a Wikignome to add the missing references.-- Club Oranje T 11:53, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree with ClubOranje on this. The article may be lacking some references, but it is certainly not speculative. The transfer agreements listed appear to have already been completed. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Has anyone who !voted "delete" actually read the content of the article? This list contains a lot of loan transfers that have already occurred, since by our definition "summer 2011" runs from the close of the winter transfer window to the close of the summer window. There is nothing speculative about the vast majority of the content of this article. – PeeJay 11:46, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The article is therefore atrociously titled. While the introduction explains what the inclusion criteria are, calling it "summer 2011" when we actually mean "after winter" is extraordinarily confusing. Furthermore, it was my impression that a "transfer" meant the formal transference of player registration from one club to another. Players who aren't on any club's books wouldn't be transfers. If, as it appears, we've got a series of these articles, then those areas need to be clarified at WikiProject level at the very least. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 17:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * February is not "summer" - especially in England! GiantSnowman 18:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right, but we had to have a cut-off at some point, and somewhere along the way it was decided that transfers from February to August should go in the "summer" lists and those from September to January should go in the "winter" lists. It was either that or put the end-of-season to December transfers in the "summer" lists and the January to end-of-season ones in the "winter" lists, but that wouldn't really work either. – PeeJay 21:40, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jay --Dweller (talk)
 * Keep. Not an area that I have dabbled in, but it appears that consensus was reached somewhere because there are many here that use the same format. The titles are confusing though. Transfers that occur in September are included in the winter article and ones made in February go in the summer article. It would make more sense to have two articles for every year, each covering six months. For example, 2011 English football transfers (January–June) and 2011 English football transfers (July–December). People read the title and immediately know what they're going to get. Argyle 4 Life  talk  22:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
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