Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of English medium Primary schools in Ireland


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The result was delete. The point that this list is redundant next to List of Primary Schools in the Republic of Ireland and List of Primary schools in Northern Ireland is very persuasive. Neıl ☎  14:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

List of English medium Primary schools in Ireland

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As the vast majority of schools in the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland use English as their language medium (as do the respective countries) the article will contain a list of pretty much every primary school in the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland and is as such not notable. Perhaps the original editor can provide a cite that shows a significant number of schools teach use Irish language Alastairward (talk) 00:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete This list is unlikely to be useful to anyone at all. SaveThePoint (talk) 00:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Primary schools are unnotable, so we don't need a list of redlinks. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 00:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - some are and some are not - please do not make generalisations. TerriersFan (talk) 17:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename to something broader, like List of medium Primary schools in Ireland. English schools only is too specific, I think; perhaps there could be english/gaelic/other language sections in the new article. Also, change redlinks to regular black text, since we don't need a million nonnotable middleschool articles to be created one day. (see proposed WP:SCHOOL) -- Nick  Penguin ( contribs ) 00:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Looks like this might be a coatrack since, as of right now, the article predominantly features schools in Northern Ireland, and while they are both geographically part of Ireland, I would imagine the schooling system in Northern Ireland is separate from the Republic of Ireland.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by NickPenguin (talk • contribs) 00:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable list per WP:N. Primary schools are not generally regarded as being notable. Mh29255 (talk) 00:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Individually, perhaps not, but groups of them are notable. See Notability.  Th e Tr ans hu man ist    02:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep but Rename - not sure what the nominator is getting at by saying "Perhaps the original editor can provide a cite that shows a significant number of schools teach use Irish language" Gaelscoileanna (schools teaching all subjects through the Irish language) are quite common in Ireland (158 in the Republic and some in Northern Ireland).  I do agree that the title is too broad and many of the schools in the list are not notable - Nick's right it looks like a coatrack.  But a blanket statement like "primary schools are unnotable" is wrong.  The all girls primary school of Holy Cross is very notable.  I recommend the page be split and renamed as List of notable primary schools in Northern Ireland and List of notable primary schools in the Republic of Ireland or something similar, and the list be restricted only to notable schools-- Cailil   talk 01:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There is already a List of Primary schools in Northern Ireland -- zzuuzz (talk) 02:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep if there are Republic of Ireland schools on there - The two countries on the island should have their own lists. Lists for the whole island would be superfluous. If there are Republic of Ireland schools on there, they could be used as the basis of a list for the Republic. (Northern Ireland already has its own lists).   Th e Tr ans hu man ist    02:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, generally redundant to List of Primary schools in Northern Ireland and its ROI counterpart. If we take Cailil's figures above, there will be 160 primary schools not on this list but on the others. Per SaveThePoint, this list is unlikely to be useful to anyone at all. -- zzuuzz (talk) 02:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep If you want to argue that it isn't important there are plenty of school articles that are three sentences. If dozens of those articles can survive, then why should you delete an article that has a thoroughly developed list?bigvinu
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   —Camaron1 | Chris (talk) 17:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - lists are useful because they go beyond categories both by organising the information and red links help to guide article creation TerriersFan (talk) 17:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Will this list be anything more than a simply repetition of the existing lists of primary schools in Northern Ireland and primary schools in the Republic of Ireland? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alastairward (talk • contribs) 17:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete as this is better served by a category. I have no objection to keeping the article beyond the inappropriateness of the medium, though; if it is kept I recommend renaming it and blacklinking per NickPenguin.
 * I would prefer articles for each of the districts or regions, since those would be small enough in scope to allow rich articles. This avoids the issues of notability (most would cede that a district is notable, and sources could easily be found) and allows a fair article without overmuch repetition of basic facts, in addition to keeping facts in context. CRGreathouse (t | c) 19:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I would prefer articles for each of the districts or regions, since those would be small enough in scope to allow rich articles. This avoids the issues of notability (most would cede that a district is notable, and sources could easily be found) and allows a fair article without overmuch repetition of basic facts, in addition to keeping facts in context. CRGreathouse (t | c) 19:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep the list looks advantageous over categories hence my motion to keep it around Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 21:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment COccyx, can you explain its advantage over the existing lists of schools in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alastairward (talk • contribs) 16:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep seems to be more useful than a category would be. Whether or not we ever have articles on all or most or some of ths schools on the list is irrelevant since navigation isn't the only reason for a list. Noroton (talk) 23:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, there are now two articles, List of Primary Schools in the Republic of Ireland and List of Primary schools in Northern Ireland. These list all primary schools in the two countries, which is arguably better as they serve two completely different education systems .Alastairward (talk) 19:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


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