Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Eyeshield 21 characters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Speedy keep per consensus, snow and iar. &mdash; Maggot Syn 13:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Eyeshield 21 characters

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This article appears to contain a list of characters in an anime/manga series. It is far too long, contains excessive detail, and uses only the primary source for its information. The article also does not establish how all this character background is relevant beyond the scope of the original series. I'd call it Fancruft...but that seems to be a derogatory term these days. Several Times (talk) 21:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep A character list is a legitimate spinout article to keep the main series article from growing too large.  This article being too large and too detailed is a sign it needs improvement, not deletion.  Edward321 (talk) 23:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep Nomination gives no reasons for deletion, only for cleanup. Character lists are considered acceptable spinoff articles, by consensus. Doceirias (talk) 23:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - nominator's rationale indeed is a cleanup one, not one backed by any sort of policy or guideline. Aside from that, character lists for long-running series are widely considered acceptable spinouts per current consensus. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 23:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per the more-or-less established consensus that spinout lists of this type are acceptable for fictional topics of long-running series. Overlong and/or excessive detail is, per editorial policy, reason to clean up not delete, and I note that WP:FICT specifically recommends that a merge back to the parent article be attempted before proposing deletion. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep - rationale is pure clean up, not a valid deletion. A list of characters for an anime/manga series of this length is a very appropriate spin out from the main. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 00:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'd like to clarify that this deletion proposal is primarily based off of the lack of sources, and does not demonstrate real-world notability as described in WP:FICT. I'd love to see the page merged and/or edited instead of deleted, but it doesn't appear to meet the existing guidelines at the moment independent of what the consensus on character lists is. --Several Times (talk) 02:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - According to the relevant section of WP:FICT, character lists are acceptable splits. Primary sources are usually considered sufficient for characters lists when the notability of the series itself is not in question. Certainly, the article contains very excessive coverage, and that needs to be trimmed - if real world sources are available, those should also be added. Neither of these are grounds for deletion, merely specific things that should be mentioned in the cleanup tags. Doceirias (talk) 03:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Battling fancruft is indeed a fine intention, but I consider general character lists a legitimate spinout for almost any series, no matter how messy the lists are. – sgeureka t•c 06:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep This nomination seems to be the equivalent of "Clean the article up or I'll get the article deleted" and that is not okay. JuJube (talk) 09:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but with a Massive Cleanup: I think maybe we sort of went overboard with some of the character information and making the article as big as it is but I did think of a way to clean it up: we split off certain teams into their own articles (just like Deimon, Ojo, Seibu & Shinryuji) and then every other team on this page will have a drastic reduction in information to shrink it down but keep all that we currently have. Then we can go back and add notability information to the seperate team articles. -StrangerAtaru (talk) 13:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The nominator's rational simply makes no sense. We do not delete articles because they need cleanup. The nomination is especially dubious when the nominator has done nothing to cleanup article the list beyond nominating it for deletion and has not even discuss a cleanup effort on the talk page. --Farix (Talk) 13:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.