Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Fictional Large Breasted Women


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was booby delete. - Mailer Diablo 05:45, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

List of Fictional Large Breasted Women
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 * Discuss. :-) &mdash; Timwi 11:05, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete obviously. Makes no distinction between characters who are defined as having large breasts and those who are merely played by shapely women; also makes no attempt to define "large" and in the context of fiction that would in any case be hard to verify since vital statistics are rarely cited in fictional works.  Of no obvious interest to anyone other than adolescent sci-fi fans. Redirect to Girlfriend and hope they get the hint? - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 11:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Sounds like a great idea to me. Daniel Case 00:25, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * This looks like a fun nomination. I suppose there could be some use for this article, but it is eluding me at the moment.  Also, the standard for breast size does not appear large.  Perhaps a definition is in order.  Delete --Dschor 12:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * oh hell no. Delete ought to be a no-brainer. --[[User:Agamemnon2|Agamemnon2
 * Delete. Breast-cruft. PJM 14:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can think of a couple of characters whose large breasts are actually important to the story ... but I don't see this being enough to sustain a list. Also the list is clearly POV - Seven of Nine actually isn't particularly large-busted, it was just the costume made her look that way. 23skidoo 17:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete &mdash; Delete per above arguments. &mdash; RJH 18:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Lara cruft (sorry, couldn't resist it!)   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  20:54, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as unverifiable. I would accept such a list only if there were a criterion for "large-breasted" and if every entry were accompanied by a bra size and a verifiable source citation indicating its accuracy. It's really time for us to start insisting on verifiability and source citations. Editors' guesses and a subjective judgement of "large," no way. Acceptable example below: Dpbsmith (talk) 01:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Vallery Irons, of the TV Show V.I.P. "She shows ample cleavage and was first said to wear at 38D bra; then 36DD and finally 34D." :
 * In the spirit of scientific enquiry I am prepared to make the necessary measurements myself... - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 22:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete --Radioshack 01:17, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm starting to think we should get rid of all lists. --Bachrach44 01:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That would be impossible, unless Wikimedia had a Category feature. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:23, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL! - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 22:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. Jtmichcock 03:34, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * is this for fictional women with large breasts or women with large fictional breasts? if its the first one, delete. if its the second, whos on it? BL   kiss the lizard  10:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Jwissick  (t)  (c)  10:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete obviously. Rhollenton 16:22, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 *  Delete . I had to get this off my chest. Durova 01:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd consider changing the vote if someone started a list of men with large...never mind... (snicker) Durova 01:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delete Don't you guys have anything better to do? Durova 19:46, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * DeleteTheRingess 01:23, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete listcruft. Not even a category is justified. Stifle 14:42, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sorry to interrupt the PC groupthink, but this is arguably far more useful than some of our 1,000s of fictional lists, such as List of fictional Elvis impersonators. -- JJay 17:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * What's your point? We're not talking about those others, we're talking about this one. I'm objecting to this one on the grounds of verifiability. Is verifiability "PC groupthink?" Dpbsmith (talk) 17:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Object on any grounds you want. There are many ways to set criteria for this list that would allow verifiability, just like with any other list. The point is, Lara Croft as well as many fictional female characters, are known for breast size- a fact that also significantly inflated Angelina Jolie's bank account. -- JJay 18:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, I've edited the article to make it possible to achieve verifiability; listed the single character for which we currently have a source citation; and moved the rest to the article's Talk page. If nobody reverts my changes and there's general consensus that the criteria I propose (bust measurement of 38 inches or more, attested by a verifiable source citation) I'll change my vote. Dpbsmith (talk) 19:00, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I, for one, have no problem with any criteria you want to impose, although I believe it's more a matter for contributing editors to hash out over time on the article talk page. Naturally, I would welcome your switch to keep. Given the current vote line-up, however, isn't this conversation just a wee bit academic. -- JJay 19:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I should have made my edit earlier. But, better late than never. Dpbsmith (talk) 19:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep in present form provided there is general agreement that the a) list must state a well-defined criterion, i.e. one for which it can be determined objectively that the criterion is met, and must include only entries meeting the verifiability policy; specifically, entries accompanied by verifiable source citations that make a specific statement that shows that the fictional character meets the criterion. Dpbsmith (talk) 19:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * See, I wasn't so off-base with my groupthink remark, which was meant to shake things up a bit here. You are truly a man of your word. Now, if we can convince some of the other 15 delete voters that large breasts can be verified in fiction, just like in real life, we might have a chance to save this info for future generations. -- JJay 21:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You'd also have to persuade me at least that even once verified this was anything other than an indiscriminate collection of information (something WP:ISNOT). - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 10:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * There is nothing indiscriminate here. The issue speaks directly to the fictional representation and objectification of women, and can be analysed from the allegorical, societal and commercial standpoints, among others. It has been a feature of fictional female portrayal, from the Greek gods through renaissance painting  and up to present day game design. -- JJay 17:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Undoubtedly there is scope for an article on the fictional representation and objectification of women. No question.  Whether it can be done without straying into OR I don't know, it probbaly can.  And it will need to cover periods when fictional breasts (and the semi-fictional "ideal" portrayed by models) were small as well as large.  It would be an interesting and thought-provoking article, in exactly the way this isn't :-) - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 20:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete - POV, or rather, two POVs. Seriously, in many cases, verifying a "38-inch breast" would be difficult to do for many fictional characters... and virtually impossible for cartoons.  Does Blondie qualify? On the other hand, investigating the visual evidence would be characterized by some as "fun." B.Wind 00:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Does Blondie qualify? Unfortunately, pending verification, no. We need more than visuals. Sorry. But these are good questions that need to be asked. -- JJay 00:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Difficult? Indeed it is very difficult. Fact-checking is always difficult. But it is what is needed to build an encyclopedia. What's required, of course, is not a measurement of Blondie's bust, but a good verifiable source citation in which someone says what her bust measurement is. It can be an estimate, but it needs to be a published estimate by someone reasonably authoritative. It can't just be the opinion of a Wikipedia editor. Perhaps there's an interview with Chic Young somewhere or something like that. If you think a specific bust measurement sets the bar too high, you could argue that all that should be required is a verifiable source citation describing Blondie as "busty" or "chesty" or "large-breasted." (Might be easier to find such a citation for L'il Abner's Daisy Mae... Julie Newmar... Mmmm....) Dpbsmith (talk) 00:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC) P. S. Or "buxom." "Buxom" is always good. I've already found a reference to Edie Adams playing a "buxom and bouncy Daisy Mae," but of course that is saying that Edie Adams was buxom, not that Daisy Mae was. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you may have mised an important part of the word "fact" there - this list is not about facts, it's about trivia relating to fictional characters. After all, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 10:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, here we go. Catherine Donaldson-Evans of Fox News&mdash;and you can't get more authoritative than Fox News, right? says here "By now, you'd think Blondie would be ready for retirement—after all, the buxom suburban housewife and star of her own comic strip recently turned 74." Anyway, a verifiable designation of Blondie as "buxom." You could say, her endowments are fair and balanced. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:30, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Buxom. Hm. That's supporting evidence, but not good enough for inclusion. We need some details on bra size. -- JJay 01:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, non verfiable and also what sets the bar for "large breasted"?Gateman1997 00:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.