Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Food Trucks in New York City


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   to delete the list with no prejudice to the possibility of an article on food trucks in New York City. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 16:31, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

List of Food Trucks in New York City

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WP is not a directory and I'm not sure if this meets guidelines at Manual of Style/Stand-alone lists. Brainy J ~ ✿ ~ ( talk ) 14:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions.   Brainy J  ~ ✿ ~ ( talk ) 14:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.   Brainy J  ~ ✿ ~ ( talk ) 14:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I think an article on Food trucks in New York City would be okay. I think a list article of notable food trucks would be okay (not sure why it should be limited to NYC, but that would probably be okay too). An article on NYC's food trucks that listed the notable ones would also be okay. I think this article is problematic as it violates policies against directory type information. Candleabracadabra (talk) 18:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   Brainy J  ~ ✿ ~ ( talk ) 18:13, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename and re-purpose at Food trucks in New York City. Great idea. The list fails but a new article (with a list of notable examples) would work. Stalwart 111  11:04, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete There is nothing notable about these individual food trucks, and as noted, we are not the yellow pages. FTiNYC is certainly a suitable topic if someone were so included, but not so much a list of each.--kelapstick(bainuu) 18:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - The fact that it is essentially a list of external links demonstrate it violates WP:NOTDIR, and is in fact a textbook example of why that policy exists. Point 3 of that policy clearly and flatly says this list is outside of policy. Candleabracadabra's idea is fine if the individual companies are verifiable and pass WP:CORP, but that isn't what this list is about.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  19:53, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. As Dennis says, this is a beautiful example of what WP:NOTDIR wants to avoid. --Randykitty (talk) 20:00, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, per all of the above., if you ever want to move up on the ranks, your good calls need to accompanied by flawless punctuation. Drmies (talk) 22:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Mies, you delicious hunk of a man, I just love the fact that you borked the template when making that comment. Not to mention grammar. :) Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  23:03, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Please people, stay serious! We're talking food trucks here, some even selling Belgian "Wafels" and "Dinges". Let's give this the attention that it deserves! --Randykitty (talk) 13:35, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIR. Northern Antarctica (₵) 04:52, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. It's a notable topic.  Yes it should be renamed to not use all initial capital letters, and it should be developed.  By all means make suggestions at its Talk page.  But I have edited the article to include 3 NYC food trucks / food truck companies that already have articles, and added links into this list.  So I also removed most of the negative tags (about no links in, no links out, and more), and may continue a bit more.  Not all items in a list need be individually wikipedia notable, so I am inclined to keep all the originally tabulated food trucks (which I agree are not proven to be individually notable). -- do  ncr  am  03:31, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course all the items in a list need to be notable. Otherwise, it is a directory listing, and Wikipedia is not a directory.  If we didn't have to demonstrate notability, every list would be a slugfest for adding things.  Just imagine List of people if notability didn't have to be proven.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  23:00, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, I recall reading explicitly that individual items in a list do not need to be notable, and it's even permissible for none of them to be. (Found one example: WP:CSC, #2) - The Bushranger One ping only 00:00, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected, but I don't think this really falls into those exceptions. If most were notable except two and you wanted to include them for completeness (like MOS specifically states), then fine, but that is not the case.  Same for the other criteria.  Converting to a list of notable companies is one thing, but when the vast majority are not, that is exactly what WP:NOTDIR is about.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  00:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * By the way, i tend to agree with Candleabracadabra's suggestion far above that the article could be moved to "Food trucks in New York City", and I also could agree with comments here that it could include a list of just the individually notable ones. But note those are refinements of the article to be addressed in editing, at its Talk page, etc., and I think there are no remaining good reasons to delete the article.  There are plenty of hits on searches for "food trucks in New York City", including this list of top 10 NYC food trucks per USA Today (which i note includes one of the 3 having articles and some not listed yet).  Food trucks apparently are cool now, it is timely to cover them more.  I saw mention of a new association of food trucks in New York City, and some big assembly event of theirs coming up soon, not sure if it is some kind of protest or if it is a celebration.  I think there are plenty of sources on this topic, food trucks in New York City.  A list of example food trucks can be in a section and can be split out later if necessary; the better article title omits "List of", I think now. -- do  ncr  am  02:38, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep article on Food trucks in New York City per very substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. Article is no longer just a directory. Candleabracadabra (talk) 11:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * A better purpose of FTiNYC is an article on the concept of food truck in the city, rather than a listing of the trucks. It is still a directory, but with the websites as references rather than in the list. --kelapstick(bainuu) 12:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That is kind of my point. It would require a complete rewrite and rename to be acceptable, which means a completely different article. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  13:06, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * And note that some of the "references" are to a Facebook page... --Randykitty (talk) 14:18, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I have reverted your move of the page for two reasons:
 * It is effectively still a list
 * Moving pages mid AfD occasionally (in my experience) mucks up the closing (when delete is the outcome as this is looking to be).
 * As I, Dennis, and others have said, FTiNYC is a reasonable subject if you are talking about the general concept of food trucks, not just listing a bunch of food trucks in the city. --kelapstick(bainuu) 14:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Several comments have suggested the article could be reworked. Obviously if you revert those changes and it simply remains a list article then it should be deleted (as I've noted above), but as an article on Food trucks in New York it is clearly notable (as I and other have noted above). So please restore the improvements and let's move forward. Thanks. Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:36, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I have (again) moved it back to the proper title: it's a list, obviously. Once it has become something else, it could be move to another title. As far as I can see, hardly any improvements have been made to the list and, except for the moves, nothing has been reverted. --Randykitty (talk) 14:46, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't reverted any changes, just the page move. --kelapstick(bainuu) 14:48, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.