Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One driver numbers (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:05, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

List of Formula One driver numbers
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This is little more than WP:TRIVIA. The only real audience for this article is budding Formula One drivers wondering which numbers are available for use. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:49, 24 October 2017 (UTC)


 * It's not very useful in its current shape, nor does it contain much more than trivia right now. This would be more valuable if it listed all the historic driver/number combinations since 2014 when the new system went into effect. Having said this, I'm leaning towards a "delete" in its current form unless it gets improved dramatically and the notability of the subject in its own right gets established. cherkash (talk) 09:00, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: That would mean listing every single driver who has ever competed and the numbers they used. Bearing in mind that the early days of the sport did not have assigned numbers, that's a massive undertaking with little encyclopaedic value. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:57, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * "listed all of the historic driver/number combinations since 2014", so any driver since 2014 should be on this list, not before, read the the comment again2604:2D80:800A:862D:482D:64A6:AB6:8C5 (talk) 21:43, 25 October 2017 (UTC) — 2604:2D80:800A:862D:482D:64A6:AB6:8C5 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * And that is just arbitrarily listing a specific set of numbers, while completely ignoring the previous 67 years of Formula One racing.Tvx1 12:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a list of all career driver/number combinations since 2014, and the table will have more drivers as the years go on, with more shared numbers. This is not a list of CURRENT combinations. In a decade or so, there would be 2-3 drivers sharing many numbers, because at the time of writing, only Kobayashi, Vergne, Sutil, Chilton, and Stevens have been gone for long enough that someone else could have taken their number2604:2D80:800A:862D:482D:64A6:AB6:8C5 (talk) 21:43, 25 October 2017 (UTC) — 2604:2D80:800A:862D:482D:64A6:AB6:8C5 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment: but what is the encyclopaedic value of the article? How does it satisfy the general notability guidelines? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 20:29, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * These are the selected numbers permanently attached to a driver for their entire career. Once chosen, the permanent numbers cannot be changed except for the champion's number(1), and the unlikely event that a driver returns to F1 while another driver has taken their number. It meets the guidelines because the numbers are mentioned by multiple media outlets when referring to a specific car(in addition to the the name). Your point regarding that it is only for budding drivers wondering what numbers are available for use is not true, it may seem that way with the little of names at the current time, but drivers having the same number for their careers will be listed with the same number, not just active drivers.2604:2D80:800A:862D:482D:64A6:AB6:8C5 (talk) 03:50, 27 October 2017 (UTC) — 2604:2D80:800A:862D:482D:64A6:AB6:8C5 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * That doesn't change the fact this is duplication. All the numbers, and when they were used, are already listed in the season articles.Tvx1 12:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong delete I have nominated this myself before and still have the opinion that this should deleted. This is WP:FANCRUFT. It's trivial information with little encyclopedic value in a stand-alone list. Everything we need to tell our readers about F1 drivers' numbers is already presented in the season articles. While numbers are assigned for a considerable time, they are not permanent. In a couple of years all numbers will have been used by multiple drivers. Making this list more and more pointless. If a particular driver has a particularly notable reason for picking a particular number that can be explained in their biography.Tvx1 11:09, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:19, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:19, 28 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Nothing has changed since the last nomination, which had clear consensus to keep. Repeatedly renominating the same article for AfD is unhelpful. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:15, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Firstly, you clearly did not look at its version prior to the previous AFD and the current version. The article has been completely overhauled since and as a result has become even less useful. Secondly, there is no guideline or policy regulating the number of times an article or list can be AFD'd. Thirdly, the existence of a previous AFD is not in itself a justification to keep an article. Consensus can change. To sum up, you have not provided any guideline or policy-based argument to keep this list.Tvx1 11:58, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The second AfD had a clear consensus to keep. So we don't need a third AfD discussion. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:11, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:14, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I'd love to state the obvious; if it has survived not one, but two previous AFD's, voicing what is the salient need of this particular one?? seeing as the article hasn't been significantly developed since the last Afd which had a 'Keep' as consensus.Celestina007 (talk) 01:49, 01 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Same flaws as Joseph2302's arguments. You haven't looked at the history either as a result of which you missed the complete overhaul as well. And I'd say that if a list is repeatedly nominated by different users that is a strong indication their are a significant number of people who think it should be deleted. The first one even ended in "no consensus". Same summary here: no guideline or policy-based argument to keep this list provided.Tvx1 11:58, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm for keeping as well. I do have a look at this list once in awhile and I don't think there is other place that aggregates that.danfalleh (talk) 17:54, 03 November 2017 (UTC)
 * We don't keep a list merely because someone likes it. Everything you need to know about the numbers can be found in the season articles.Tvx1 11:58, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep I think this article provides a good reference for driver numbers, it's not the most important information but having it is definitely useful. It doesn't do any harm keeping it. MetalDylan (talk) 19:24, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep While the article/list could be improved, that is no reason for deletion. Article starts with prose so its certainly not just listcruff. Seems to be a notable topic and article is relatively well referenced. Mattlore (talk) 21:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


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