Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Galactic Empire ranks


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. The content is available on request for any mergers not contrary to the consensus developed here. Sandstein 08:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Galactic Empire ranks

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No assertions of notability, no sources (reliable or otherwise), contains original research, does not meet writing-about-fiction requirements. --EEMeltonIV 20:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, article desperately needs sourcing and cleanup, not deletion. Notability is established in the main article (Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire). Perhaps a merge of the two would be appropriate. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 20:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - The only bit of notability asserted in Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire is that the rank system "has since become a major point of speculation, conjecture, and entertainment by Star Wars fans" -- but this is wholly without substantiation. Indeed, that article also contains original research with few real-world connections (the closest being claims of "production error" without supporting citation); it may also warrant deletion, or at least stubification for a complete re-write. --EEMeltonIV 20:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * With or without substantiation, notability is asserted. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 21:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fancruft. Notability isn't established in the Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire article, merely asserted. That article also says that these ranks are a point of speculation by fans and have never actually been established. There's no data. This article even says one of the insignia is based on conjecture. eaolson 22:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: If this article is deleted, care should be made to retain the information about Grand Admiral. There are plenty of sources for information about that Imperial rank (the entire Zahn triology to begin with) and Grand Admiral (Star Wars) used to be its own article.  The rank has appeared in dozen of Star Wars books, comic books and video games.  Yet another reason why this should have been discussed before jumping into a deletion vote...some of the article has merit to be sure.-OberRanks 01:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Surely you meant "Star Wars". Can you assert even how grand admiral has *real world* notability? Yes, it matters in the Star Wars universe, but what influence or importance has it had in a galaxy not as far away? --EEMeltonIV 03:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, Star Wars. Pardon me.  With that point you made, then at least the Grand Admiral insignia picture and some of the data should be merged in with Thrawn.  I found 228 thousand internet hits on him when I searched Yahoo. -OberRanks 14:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * comment: maybe transwiki to a galaxy far, far, away... --Jack Merridew 12:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Lots and lots of WP:OR in this.  All in-universe content with no real world applicability anywhere.   This belongs in a star wars wiki.  Corpx 22:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - notability is asserted, but never established. --Haemo 23:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge with Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire This is a more helpful way to deal with it. Although all Star Wars in-universe articles should be moved to Wookieepedia. Thanks!--Cerejota 23:55, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A merged article is redirected, not deleted.
 * Delete&mdash;excessive details, and it is already present on Wookiepedia. &mdash; Deckiller 00:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as per all of the above. Greg Jones II 14:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge back in with Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire. Also make sure that the original creators of these articles have been contacted about this AfD.  The creation of this article looks like part of a disambig project where several different articles were merged back into one and the project workers simply didnt return to finish the job with sources, etc. -OberRanks 00:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: User:Deckiller was the creator of the article and from what I can tell noone has contacted him. Also no talk page discussion between editors.  Seems to be jumping right into a deletion vote.  Not the best course, I feel.  In any event, I believe we are required to contact the article creator...something which hasn't been done.  Am I wrong? -OberRanks 00:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment -- People are not required to be notified of AfDs; it is a courtesy. That said: . --EEMeltonIV 03:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides, I already gave a delete comment above. The merges were a tempoary solution, because an AfD would not have passed 18 months ago. &mdash; Deckiller 23:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-notable funcruft, indeed. Looks like a pile of OR, too. Parent article cites a video game as a sources; AfD it next. --Jack Merridew 12:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I reviewed the article this morning and the ranks of Grand Admiral, High General, Surface Marshal, and Line Captain can be traced directly to sources either appearing in movies or mentioned in novels. Those were only the ones I was able to easily find, I'm sure there are others.  Admiral, Captain, and Commander are also very common Imperial ranks complete with sources.  I have to say the article does not look like OR; just an article without proper sourcing. -OberRanks 14:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.