Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of German Ministers-Presidents by longevity


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

List of German Ministers-Presidents by longevity

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List of German Federal Ministers by longevity was deleted at AfD because the list was indiscriminate: it listed ministers by their age of death, but that has no bearing on their occupation during their lifetime. The exact same issue applies here; it should really have been nominated at the same time. Delete for the reasons stated here, and at that other AfD. I42 (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:37, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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 * Comment Am I right that this would be analogous to the State Governor of one of the United States? I'm not sure how that's treated on the line between notable and trivial.  Mandsford 16:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep There are a lot of lists about political leaders sorted by list. The german Minister-Presidents are important politicians and I think that the deletation of is only the beginning of the deletation of all of this lists - and yes, that would include lists like State Governors. --Statistician (talk) 11:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at all. This article is nominated because the selection criteria is arbitrary, not because the subjects are non-notable. Note that we also have List of longest governing German Ministers-Presidents, which is collated by length of service and is non-arbitrary - there is no suggestion, here at least, that that article should be deleted. I42 (talk) 12:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete There is no relationship between a person's service as a German Minister or President and his or her age at death.Kitfoxxe (talk) 04:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: There might be no relationship between service and age of death, but lifetime definitely influences the evolution of a political mind; so in order to get an evaluation of political decisions in the light of following decades by those politicians who were responsible, lifetime is relevant. Dewritech (talk) 10:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Age at start of service is definitely not indiscriminate. But we're not talking about that - we're talking about age at death, and that happens after the period of service ends. Age at death cannot possibly be of relevance to their service because it is a complete unknown at the time. I42 (talk) 06:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Biographes about or analytical writings from politicians are probably the more extensive the older these politicians are, so the age of death can be an indicator for the depth of analysis. There are obviously not too many politicians who are able to reflect on their decisions decades later, when they can see long term consequences. So these list is not just some kind of useless cross-categorization but an effective instrument for detecting politicians with broad personal and political experiences. Dewritech (talk) 19:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - as non-enclyclopedic cross-categorization (WP:NOTDIR).--70.80.234.196 (talk) 13:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep:: If we have Longest living United States Senator, Oldest living United States president, List of oldest surviving members of the House of Representatives and Oldest living United States governor then I don't see why we can't have lists for their German equivalents. -&#91;&#91;User: Duffy2032&#124;Duffy2032&#93;&#93; (talk) 02:46, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite a few of these lists exist, with subtley different criteria: some are indiscriminate, most are not. The other indiscriminate ones are an irrelevance as far as this nomination is concerned - see WP:WAX. I42 (talk) 06:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


 * Keep:: We have a lot of age related articels about persons in offices http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_political_office-holders_by_age and I think this is a try to step for step delete all of them. The delete-loving fraction should think about that their personal intereste isn't the criterion for important or not / interesting or not. --Statistician (talk) 08:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)