Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of German and Austrian composers


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The result was Delete. &mdash; Scientizzle 02:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

List of German and Austrian composers

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This page is pointless. It only serves as a link to List of German composers and List of Austrian composers, which are both listed in this page's title. bse3 (talk • contribs • count • [ logs ]) 01:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, delete. Useless disambiguation page, has no incoming links, can be deleted. I'm neutral due to the historical issues raised below; it may be reasonable to merge the two lists into one list of German and Austrian composers, or do something else altogether, but I'm not a history expert. -- Lea (talk) 20:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and the incoming redirect List of German language composers should be deleted along with this. Since telling a composer's language by their nationaly isn't possible, this is not a particularly reasonable redirect. -- Lea (talk) 01:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure about that: at least as far as operas go, language is significant. Such a list might do better as a category, but it surely would be useful to list composers by what language they could use in such a way.  Nyttend (talk) 00:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as pointless disambig page with no incoming links. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete One of the sillier ideas for a disambiguation page. Maybe "List of American and Russian composers" can lead us to "List of American composers" and "List of Russian composers".  Mandsford (talk) 02:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Totally pointless disambig page. I'm tempted to call for a snowball speedy here because this really is the sort of thing that falls within the category of indisputably bad ideas. EconomicsGuy (talk) 10:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. It seems like this page ended up being turned into a disambiguation page after a tortuous history. But the original intention was not that crazy, it was an (unsuccessful) attempt to account for the complication that the countries today known as Germany and Austria didn't exist as such during the lives of most of these composers. --Itub (talk) 11:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I reviewed the history and I see what you mean. Some well-meaning soul either decided that this would be a great improvement, or vandalized it.  If anyone wants to restore it to the pre-reformed content, I would probably change my vote.  Mandsford (talk) 13:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree that this seems like a good faith creation to begin with. I still think the current page is a bad idea and even if restored this would essentially be redundant now. I think what happened here is that some well-meaning soul decided to split the list thus a)creating a useless disambig page and b) possibly removing a valid point that these composers were not living in the countries that we now know as Germany and Austria. European history is a tricky thing and this may not have been obvious to whoever did this. If a solution can be worked out I'm willing to change my opinion about this. EconomicsGuy (talk) 14:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete The Wikipedia page for the Kingdom of Germany says "there is general agreement that the German identity is firmly established by the eleventh century". The first composer on List of German composers was born late in the eleventh century, while the rest were well after this time. As for Austria, the Austrian Empire page says it was formed in 1804. Only the first four composers on List of Austrian composers died before this. I think it's safe to say that these composers are safe where they are. If we want to get all technical i guess all the composers before 1806 (the last year of the Holy Roman Empire) from both pages could be put on a List of Holy Roman Empire Composers. I think that would be unessesary as most of the Austrian composers were near the end of this time or much later and the German composers could all be considered German even though the Kingdom of Germany was a part of the Holy Roman Empire. Can we delete it now? — bse3 (talk • contribs • count • [ logs ]) 04:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC).
 * Delete - even if someone "fixed" this article, there are two separate articles for german and austrian composers . It seems to me quite pointless to have three articles, one for austrian composers , one for german and one for both -- Cra del  17:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can't see a reason for this page to exist. The two links listed are already disambiguated by their titles, and there's a List of composers which serves as an index for all composer lists on Wikipedia, upon which these two links are already included.   Th e Tr ans hu man ist    19:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Useless disambig. page Warrior4321talkContribs 00:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.