Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of German exonyms for places in Slovakia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Tone 13:24, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

List of German exonyms for places in Slovakia

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Wikipedia is not a translation service. We don't need to have lists of place names in various countries translated into other languages. Hog Farm (talk) 05:45, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 05:45, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - this is scope creep by Wikipedia. Wiktionary is the appropriate wiki project for translations. I also note the complete lack of sourcing. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 07:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * On further review I am going to move to Keep on this one but with a strong recommendation that there be a merge discussion with List of cities and towns in Slovakia. I note that several internet sites seem to source this list as they find it useful, but generally in conjunction with what is on both pages. See, for instance, [Maps7] who look like they have used Wikipedia but taken information from both pages to make that page. Others do the same. The reason, per User:Mccapra below, is the German speaking minority and history. I see there is also a List of Hungarian exonyms for places in Slovakia not yet proposed for AFD, and this page exists for the same reason (Hungarian speaking minority). Both are linked from List of cities and towns in Slovakia.


 * Now the question is whether any of these should be kept, but List of cities and towns in Slovakia adds additional information that makes this start to look encylopaedic (as opposed to the simple list, which does not, in my view). These exonym lists seem to have been spun out from that page, perhaps for stylistic reasons. I think that decision is wrong. This is additional good information that can support List of cities and towns in Slovakia, and should sit on that page. I don't think it should be on a page on its own. I note that editors may raise table clutter as an issue though. Still, there should be a merge discussion.


 * Although I could vote for merge here, the merge would still need to be proposed on those pages, and it is a matter for the editors there, not the admin closing this AFD proposal. Thus my view on the AFD itself is now keep. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 20:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete We have interwiki links, the German Wikipedia, and Wiktionary and in many cases our own enwiki articles if someone is looking for mere translations. Reywas92Talk 08:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. These German names had official status when Slovakia was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire before the end of World War I. Their usage can probably be attested in many pre-World War I print sources. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 11:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. In general I don't think there is a good case for this sort of article - e.g. Italian versions of names of places in China, or whatever.  However German names in Slovakia is one of a small number of special cases where those names were 'official' for centuries and were used consistently in maps and official documents.  It is true that for each individual town the relevant article can carry historic names but I think there is good encylopaedic value in also having a single point of reference for someone studying then history of Habsburg Hungary, or working with historic maps and documents. Mccapra (talk) 16:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wiktionary. ミラP 17:31, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Eastmain and Mccapra. This list has nothing to do with "translation service" as the nominator implies. German names for plenty of towns and villages in Slovakia are historical and in many cases pre-date Slovak names by centuries, e.g. Pressburg / Bratislava.--Darwinek (talk) 17:34, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I think there is an additional problem. This could well be a copy vio from here. The lists are not identical but it is very suspicious that the ordering is the same. Collections of information are protected by intellectual property law in the same way as creative works (see, for instance, database right in the UK). -- Sirfurboy (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2020 (UTC) Ignore me - that site sources Wikipedia. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 18:21, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Rather encyclopedic article for reasons others have already stated.  D r e a m Focus  13:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Reywas9, and per WP:NOTDICT. Most Keep arguments appear to be arguments for mentioning the German names in the individual place articles, and since they are already mentioned in each place article, there is no reason to merge. The suggestion that there is encyclopaedic value in having a single point of reference could equally be applied to any such list, it is a vague argument that doesn't overcome the clear policy of WP:NOTDICT: this article is nothing more than an extraction from a German-Slovak dictionary. Pontificalibus  16:41, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per, , and . I'm on the record as being very much against these types of "translation" articles because they are often not verifiable, not even wrong, just useless, or based on folk etymology. This is an exception, because there's lots of significant coverage about German names in the former Austro-Hungarian territories of Slovakia, Slovenia, Czech Republic, and Hungary. Bearian (talk) 22:14, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This article could be useful for mappers on YouTube, Reddit, etc. for historical reference since, again, some of these were, once, the official names for the places. --Yeetstuff (talk) 00:59, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.