Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of German language films


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. I did not perceive any policy-based arguments from the Delete voters that such a list should not exist at all. Provided that a list is not dominated by red links (suggesting it is not useful for navigation), a list like this ought to be allowed to exist if it is useful. It is easy to tell if something is a German-language film, so the list inclusion criterion is obvious. Saying that films are not here which ought to be is an issue that can be fixed in the normal editing process. Over time, this list could expand to include all the German-language films that have Wikipedia articles, which I believe would satisfy the 'comprehensiveness' requirement of the Featured List criteria. EdJohnston (talk) 18:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

List of German language films

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Indiscriminate list that will never be complete (according to imdb there are more than 30,000 German language films). The Category:German-language films serves already the purpose of making it easy to find German language films. Novidmarana (talk) 22:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC) *Delete as content fork due to the List of German films article already existing and listing notable German films. Nk.sheridan    Talk  23:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 22:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and because we already have List of German films and List of Austrian films. Biruitorul (talk) 23:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: While obviously not disagreeing with delete, note that this is a list of German language films, not a list of films produced in Germany. Though in practice that should make only a very small difference, as virtually all German language films are produced in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and virtually all German, Austrian and Swiss-German films are in German. Novidmarana (talk) 23:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep This will presumably include those films that are sufficiently important to have a Wikipedia article. If there are eventually a few thousand of the, so much the better--we will need a list all the more. It's a meaningful distinction & a list can do more than a category. DGG (talk) 02:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per DGG, a list can do more than a category, as, for instance, List of Urdu-language films shows. The subject is encyclopedic, and these lists can be quite valuable. When the list gets too large, it can be broken up by decade, and decades by years. There are no fundamental problems here -- or any potential problems that can't be fixed in the future. Noroton (talk) 04:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't near-total overlap with List of German films, List of Austrian films and (partly) List of Swiss films a "fundamental problem"? National origin is a far more common way of classifying films than language, and this list needlessly reduplicates the others. Biruitorul (talk) 14:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's not a fundamental problem. Usefulness is a bad way to judge articles for deletion but a good way to judge lists, and the usefulness of a language-based list is clear. For instance, readers who remember a German-language film but who don't know the name or whether or not it was Austrian or Swiss should have a German-language list to look it up. If the reader knows the film is Austrian, then looking at the Austrian lists is the quickest way to find the name. The list could also be useful in other encyclopedic ways (helping readers browse among films that may have influenced each other across borders, for instance.) If a lot of the content is on the List of German films, so what? Wikipedia can spare the bytes if editors can spare the time to edit the different pages. A lot of the same content is on different Wikipedia pages. It would be a publishing problem if this were a paper encyclopedia. Once the list becomes so large that it has to be broken apart into several articles, it will probably resemble the year-in-film articles (which seem to be biased toward English-language films right now, see 2000 in film, for instance). It seems to me that a fundamental problem would be something that makes basic quality (or comprehensiveness) impossible or extremely hard. That's not the case here. And when you talk about "common" you mean "common at this moment", but Wikipedia grows, and it doesn't seem like a huge leap to expect it to grow in this direction. While not a fundamental problem, it could be a problem to have editors' efforts divided on similar pages. At the moment, the list is so bad that the best addition to it would be a lengthy "See also" section with links to all the various lists of films in the German language. Noroton (talk) 16:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep This list has redlinks that can't be captured via a category, and therefore it's handy to spot where the gaps are in getting notable films an article. Lugnuts (talk) 07:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nein! (translated: Delete!) - A wildly incomplete list with huge gaps and many missing classics. It's a great idea, but it doesn't work in this format. Ecoleetage (talk) 15:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Germany alone produces so many movies each year that they can't all be listed; redlinks makes the problem even worse. Quite a few European nations also dub foreign-language films, so German-langage films stop being German-language. The categories and the German/Austrian/Swiss film lists take care for the rest. – sgeureka t•c 23:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment For god's shakes seven days have already passed, why is this discussion still open? TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 16:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment To closing admin, there is also List of French language films. Lugnuts (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Given lists that would would reach such a high magnitude of numbers, I would say that they would function better as a category than an actual article.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  12:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per DGG. These films that have yet to be included in the list are definitely notable, and therefore passes WP:N.  Razorflame 15:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


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