Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Guardians of Ga'Hoole characters (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There does not appear to be any consensus on whether the list of characters is notable and should be standalone or not, however it is clear that the article needs serious cleanup. Legoktm (talk) 01:31, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

List of Guardians of Ga'Hoole characters
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Excessively long, unsourced, and fanwanky. Some parts could possibly be merged into the main article as an AtD. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 21:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Fictional elements,  and Science fiction and fantasy. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 21:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete This entry is longer than the Gahoole entry for the entire series. One series and a few books, I'm sure this can be covered over at the main article. Oaktree b (talk) 21:21, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:34, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup since there's both a book and a film adaptation. Ideally, the bits that would be duplicated in both articles should be here. No objection to serious cutting, but a single characters article for a notable fictional franchise is not excessive or unwarranted, and neither the book(s) or movie would be an ideal merge target as an ATD. Jclemens (talk) 05:16, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, not seeing much point in even redireting this unreferenced fancruft to Guardians of Ga'Hoole. Yes, the main work should have a section about characters, but unless someone wants to verify this... well, I guess a redirect won't hurt much, still, no references, sigh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 16:17, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Replying after the relist: V for fictional elements is met by references to the primary source in accordance with WP:PRIMARY; that is, obvious things are obvious, implications and conclusions need a secondary source. Jclemens (talk) 22:23, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: I see two irreconciliable groups of editors and it appears that both camps believe a Merge is not a good idea. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:34, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup per the claims that were made out by . We have to have their bios mentioned somewhere on this website. --Rtkat3 (talk) 19:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A short section w/ a sentence or two about each of the main characters would be sufficient. I've been through a few AfD's for other character articles and they've ended up w/ some form of merge into the main article. This isn't a fan wiki and we don't need Harry Potter levels of detail. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 07:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete There's no significant coverage to preserve or merge. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NLIST. Jontesta (talk) 03:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup per Jclemens. A list of characters is valid for a notable series. A merge is an option in theory but Jclemens is right that there are two valid targets and a list allows it to work for both. Archrogue (talk) 01:47, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:TNT. Potentially notable list here, but it must be rewritten and therefore none of this content is usable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I could live with a merge. Seems fine Oaktree b (talk) 23:45, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge where? There's books and film--so where does it go? Those arguing for deletion have failed to establish that this couldn't be trimmed to be an appropriate article, as no one is arguing the fictional world isn't notable. Jclemens (talk) 03:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * As an historical curiosity, I appear to have made this exact same argument over 10 years ago in the first AfD, linked above. Jclemens (talk) 03:55, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.