Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of HSDPA networks


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. There is no consensus to remove this information. Several suggestions were made for merging but there was no consensus for the target of such a merge. Discussion on merging can continue at the article as part of the normal editing process. Unsourced material can be challenged by requesting sources, and ultimately removed if none are provided, as part of the normal editing process., SpinningSpark 18:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

List of HSDPA networks

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This list is incomplete, there are A LOT OF missing sources and we will never be able to cover all networks worldwide (if only because of missing sources!). HSDPA has de-facto become a standard technology in deployed UMTS networks, which already have a seperate list. For this reason: Why should we maintain multiple lists for every "add-on-technology" to a common and widely adopted mobile standard?!? Instead we should focus on a few milestones (e.g. first launches, special networks and operators that were the first to launch new technologies. This should happen in the main article HSDPA. Lists only make sense if there is the possibility to have a complete coverage and people that are interested and able to maintain them an a regular basis. Doesn't seem to meet WP:NOTABILITY requirements. Nightwalker-87 (talk) 20:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Oppose Deletion: I think the deletion is too early especially for developing countries, where information about weather a network is using GSM/UMTS/HSDPA is difficult or almost impossible find out until one actually goes to the country, and tests it out. Syanaee (talk) 15:17, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

"Testing things out and adding them to a list" is not an appropiate way to build and extend such a list. The only thing that qualifies added information is direct citation of accessible sources. If there are no sources for deployments, there is no possibilty to verify the content. This is in conflict with common wikipedia rules and guidelines. Nightwalker-87 (talk) 17:58, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I respectfully disagree, I feel there needs to be a more broader discussion on this before the deletion, this is not the only article you've listed for deletion, and I feel both are beneficial to an encyclopedia entry. Syanaee (talk) 17:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I opened up the discussion for each of the articles, by proposing deletion according to the wiki guidelines. There is a discussion page for every one of the requested articles on the wiki "deletion page". I'm not preventing anybody from having a say. By the way: It's not me who decides the upcoming procedure(s) concerning these articles, but at the end it's finally the decision of the administrators. That's how things work here. I've explained my point of view and intention. ;-) Nightwalker-87 (talk) 20:11, 3 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete or merge after adding sources: Incompleteness is okay, per WP:NOTDIR. (We can only keep items that have Wikipedia article, should we choose to do so.) Lack of source is not okay. Content without source may be challenged or deleted. Even if it had sources, lists like List of HSDPA networks and List of HSUPA networks and such lists should be merged. Fleet Command (talk) 07:21, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be even easier to merge both lists you mentioned above into List of UMTS networks by adding two seperate columns. This means two articles less without loss of information. All content without a source should be deleted after a set timeframe to give main editors the chance to improve the extended list and add sources. I suggest the timeframe to avoid keeping uncited content longterm. Nightwalker-87 (talk) 19:06, 7 August 2014 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 03:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)




 * Keep - No valid reason for deletion. If this list duplicates information in another list article, merge or propose a merge. ~KvnG 03:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 00:35, 17 August 2014 (UTC)




 * Keep or Merge - Agree with KvnG's suggestion. Syanaee (talk) 11:19, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Article gives useful information. International sourcing included. Just keep adding more RS. I don't see what the big deal is. Strawberrie Fields (talk) 17:02, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of HSUPA networks to new List of HSPA networks (compare: List of HSPA+ networks) Nightwalker-87 (talk) 20:22, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.