Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hardly Strictly Bluegrass performers and lineups


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mackensen (talk) 15:53, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

List of Hardly Strictly Bluegrass performers and lineups

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Originally PRODed with the reason "Unencyclopedic list. The festival may be notable, but a historical list of who performed there? Not really.". The list's creator has admitted on the talk page that no independent sources exist for the topic. Independent, reliable sources are required to show notability. If none exist, then the topic is not separately notable from the festival itself. TexasAndroid (talk) 14:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep: To be a candidate for page deletion, there must be a specific violation of wikipedia guidelines.  The author who has nominated this page for deletion has stated the opinion that a historical list of performers is "not really" notable.  That is not a specific reason or specific violation.  On the other hand, I (the list's creator) will list several specific reasons why the page should not be deleted:
 * The information on this page complies with the general [Wikipedia:Notability guidelines] now that I have added several independent sources that verify the fact that multiple articles are written about the festival's lineup at least for several years. In fact, many news outlets write about the lineup every single year, and Google searches will verify that fact.  Unfortunately, I don't have the time to add inline citations for every year since 2001, but I encourage others to do so.  In any case, I've now added sufficient references and inline citations to prove notability according to Wikipedia's guidelines for notability: "significant coverage in reliable [i.e. mainstream news media] secondary sources".
 * Additionally, nothing about this page is listed in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.
 * Stepping beyond Wikipedia's formal guidelines, another reason this page does not warrant deletion is the precedent set by the many Wikipedia pages related to broadcast series which contain lists of episodes, including when they aired and who performed in them. Similarly, this page of a list of performances, when they occurred, and who performed them.
 * Jmattthew (talk) 09:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The Festival is the topic. Which is not to say this list is necessarily appropriate, just that the nominator isn't analyzing it in a meaningful way, because just because this list is formatted as a separate web page from the main Festival article (purely for WP:SIZE reasons) does not mean that it is a separate topic. If this were simply included as a section within Hardly Strictly Bluegrass, what would be the reasons for maintaining it or removing it? Because the same analysis should govern here. One concern I have is regarding the notability of the performers. Without wikilinks, it's difficult to see how many of these performers have articles, but doing a quick sample of some of the names I don't recognize indicates many do not, and that negatively impacts upon the informational value of the list. Perhaps only the notable performers should be listed? postdlf (talk) 19:12, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep seems like excessive content, not completely sourced, but there are enough significant names, and a few independent sources, to justify its existence. I agree that the performers make it notable. all notable names need to be blue linked (and referenced), and nonotable names have a citation from at least the festival info online to show they played. independent sources for each name, i dont think, are strictly necessary, but independent sources for each years show is.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Delete, trivial and unencyclopedic. The festival itself might be notable, a massive and exhaustive list of everyone who's ever sat on stage there is not. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  00:46, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep There's enough sourced content here to keep the list. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 21:23, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete The nominator is quite correct there are no reliable secondary sources that significantly cover this subject. Rotten regard       Softnow  00:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Borders on obsessive Fancruft. Obscure listings of mostly obscure acts. Should we also copy the "Book of Lists" into the article space? GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 21:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 04:20, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.