Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Heartbreak High episodes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –– FormalDude  talk  21:37, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

List of Heartbreak High episodes

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Violation of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. –– FormalDude  talk  03:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. –– FormalDude   talk  03:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. –– FormalDude   talk  03:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. –– FormalDude   talk  03:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - how does this violate WP:NOTDIRECTORY? It's not an indiscriminate list, it's a subpage of the main Heartbreak High page. Deus et lex (talk) 03:38, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It is an indiscriminate list, in that it lists every single episode without any discrimination. Per WP:NLIST, it should have been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources. I'm not seeing any independent reliable sources here that do that. Most of the sources are just directory listings. –– FormalDude  talk  03:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, not sure how this violates WP:NOTDIRECTORY specifically, are you suggesting to redirect to main page? Pinchofhope (talk) 03:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm suggesting this poorly sourced and likely unnotable content be deleted. –– FormalDude  talk  03:47, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The sources can be fixed and Category:Lists of Australian drama television series episodes has 48 pages just like this one, so if the argument is based on WP:NOTDIRECTORY then they should all be up for deletion. If you are arguing about the notability of Heartbreak High specifically, I also disagree. Its one of the most successful Australian shows internationally with an upcoming Netflix reboot that has just wrapped filming. either way I vote keep and rework.Pinchofhope (talk) 04:10, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If it's so successful it should be easy to find independent reliable sources that discuss the episodes as a group or set. –– FormalDude  talk  04:23, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * For the purposes of television episodes, primary sources (i.e. the episode itself) are considered a reliable source for information such as title, writers, directors, episode numbers, and airdates. Secondary sources are preferred, but the lack of secondary sources is not uncommon.  See: MOS:TVEPISODELIST (and there is other info in the TV project MOS pertaining to this, but its location escapes me at present).   Butler Blog   (talk) 04:41, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - This is not an indiscriminate list, and episode list articles are not WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Heartbreak High is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Television, and generally, a series that has run for three or more seasons (as this has) will break out the episode list to a separate list article such as this, rather than include it in the article due to length.  Butler Blog   (talk) 04:25, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, as an episode list article under Wikipedia:WikiProject Television, listing of AfD discussion in non-Television project discussions should be withdrawn.  Butler Blog   (talk) 04:48, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It does not meet WP:NLIST. –– FormalDude  talk  06:37, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Arguably a speedy keep, because while the rationale listed is a deletion rationale, the nominator appears to be unfamiliar that 'lists of episodes' are often improved to be featured list status. Regardless, no cause for deletion articulated, let alone one that would require deletion rather than editing to solve. Jclemens (talk) 07:36, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep No valid reason given for deletion. List of episodes for a notable show are always notable.   D r e a m Focus  16:57, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists. WP:NLIST states the requirements for a list to be considered notable, and I don't think this article meets said requirements. –– FormalDude  talk  19:51, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * This discussion has happened in AFDs for years now, and always ends the sames. Also WP:NLIST clearly states Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.  This is an informational list.   D r e a m Focus  21:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, I was not aware of that standard. Seeing as I'm the only one dissenting, I will close as keep. –– FormalDude  talk  21:37, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.