Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Heroes of the Soviet Union of repressed ethnicities


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. There is consensus that RS do not group together awardees of the Hero of the Soviet Union by ethnicity in such a way. signed,Rosguill talk 01:39, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

List of Heroes of the Soviet Union of repressed ethnicities

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WP:OR/WP:SYNTH No source supports the claim of "repressed ethnicities", this is a self-invented frame by creator User:PlanespotterA320 (who has, incidentally, been permanently globally banned from all Wikimedia sites). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Addition Most of the same people are already mentioned in List of North Caucasian Heroes of the Soviet Union. Plus, each of them is already mentioned in the alphabetical Category:Lists of Heroes of the Soviet Union which already existed. In short: there are many people listed at least three times. (Some are even mentioned four times due to the List of twice Heroes of the Soviet Union). Do we really need that? This is a lot of WP:OVERLAP/WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Especially the repressed part suggests a WP:POVFORK. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:21, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Ethnic groups,  and Military.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep There could be a better title but it is not questionable that the Soviet Union did conduct ethnic deportation of people (for example). There has been post-Soviet academic attention towards Heroes of the Soviet Union from specific ethnicities such as this article about Crimean Tatars, demonstrating that the ethnicity of Heroes of the Soviet Union is a legitimate topic. Kges1901 (talk) 14:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't question that those things happened, but this framing of the individual awardees as members of "repressed ethnicities" is WP:OR/WP:SYNT. We can't have that. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:30, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Nothing in Google Books frames the awardees in this way. It's all original research. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:33, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course you didn't find anything, you did a very narrow search in English. Try reading a Chechen newspaper or a book specifically about the topic like Крымские татары во Второй мировой войне / А. Велиев; пер. c крымскотат. Э. Велиева. — Симферополь : Крымучпедгиз, 2009.Your claim "No source supports the claim of "repressed ethnicities", this is a self-invented frame" is absolutely wrong, even the Russian government apologized for the deporations and repressions, which are covered by English and Russian newspapers alike. Lists about discriminated against Heroes aren't unusual, there are lists of African-American, Jewish and Hispanic medal of honor recipients. There is no reasonable doubt about the ethnic background of the people on the list and that their people were "disgraced peoples"/"punished peoples"/"repressed peoples" or that they received the gold star. So please stop denying repressions and being condescending to the heroes of the soviet Union on the list.--74.215.211.214 (talk) 02:11, 30 May 2023 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * TB, this is user:PlanespotterA320. She was evading bans again. -Lemonaka‎  20:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * lol, "stop condescending the heroes of the xyz". No one is condescending anything, we're discussing the need need for the article. Silly socks Oaktree b (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename but keep. This seems to be a catch-all for ethnicities that don't have enough recipients for a stand-alone article like List of Tajik Heroes of the Soviet Union.  The "repressed ethnicities" framing isn't good, but a rename will solve that. Walt Yoder (talk) 02:22, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should be listing/grouping/categorising Heroes of the Soviet Union "by ethnicity" in the first place, per WP:OCEGRS. We have already listed them all alphabetically, there is no need to do it all over again "by ethnicity" if [ethnicity] has [no] significant bearing on their career. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:48, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Would it be valid to throw all non-"repressed ethnicities" into a List of Heroes of the Soviet Union of privileged ethnicities? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:25, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Not needed article and disorganized. However, we must note that the label of "repressed" here is not a subjective adjective but an official (non-derogatory) terminology for ethnic groups that were at some point in time or another officially designated as "enemies of the people". It is also defamatory to suggest that the people on the list are not true Hero of the Soviet Union recipients. Most small nations without their own lists are not "repressed" only those who were designated as enemies of the people and fully deported per government decree qualify as repressed, so non-deported small peoples like Avar, Buryat, etc are not officially repressed peoples and have no place on any such list. On that note, I also think that lists of medal of Honor recipients (such as the lists for Jewish, African American, Hispanic medal of honor recipients) should also be deleted too.--50.5.78.234 (talk) 17:41, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I did/do not for one moment suggest that the people on the list are not true Hero of the Soviet Union recipients. I merely object to the SYNTH frame of "repressed ethnicities".
 * I also think that lists of medal of Honor recipients (such as the lists for Jewish, African American, Hispanic medal of honor recipients) should also be deleted too. This is an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument; while there may be legitimate reasons for nominating such lists for deletion as well (certainly if this AfD results in a Delete), this AfD will not be dependent on those others being nominated. Nevertheless, I have suggested above that other "by ethnicity" lists of Heroes of the Soviet Union are logical next options to consider, particularly given that we've already got alphabetical lists of the very same people. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:43, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete they're already mentioned in the List of Heores of the Soviet Union, simply adding an "ethnicity" tab there would replicate this chart. Oaktree b (talk) 23:51, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I support this idea in theory. However, that would involve completely re-creating those pages, which I'm not sure is worth anyone's time. Walt Yoder (talk) 00:11, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete no evidence that sources group together Heroes of the Soviet Union by repressed Soviet nationalities. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:48, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.