Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Homer Simpson's jobs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 22:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Homer Simpson's jobs, List of vehicles in The Simpsons
Fancruft list like List of vehicles in The Simpsons that belong on The Simpsons Archive not Wikipedia. PMA
 * Weak keep My first instinct would be a merge to Homer Simpson, but that's a pretty hefty article already. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  14:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per above. Best to keep it in its own article: if it was deleted, people would again try to stuff it into the (huge) main article. &mdash;   Da rk Sh ik ar i   talk /contribs  15:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete as per nom - belongs on a fan site, exactly so. Listcruft. Fancruft. Wikipedia is not a free hosting site. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. "If it was deleted, people would again try to stuff it into the (huge) main article" is an argument for 1) warning/education of those people 2) slimming down the main article but not a reasonable argument against deletion. Bwithh 15:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep the list of jobs, delete the list of vehicles. —Scott5114↗ 16:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete both, excellent examples of fancruft. Recury 17:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete; refer the author to Wikia. --M @ r ē ino 17:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep list of jobs - it is noteworthy/important. Not every detailed article is cruft.  I'm less sure about cars... WilyD 17:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep both the list of vehicles resulted from an AfD saying such articles should be merged, in accordance with typical practice regarding fiction on Wikipedia. Leave it alone. It deals with vehicles seen by millions in multiple episodes, and prior to the list some had individual articles. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 18:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Both are too specific a level of detail and sets a precedent for someone to do this for virtually any other TV series. 23skidoo 19:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Precendent? Paul McCartney has his own flippin' category but we always manage to delete Bands' whose sole claim to fame is a MySpace page.  Most editors have not lived on Mars for the last 20 years, in a cave, under a rock, with their fingers in their ears, so they're aware that The Simpsons is not just another TV show.  Please give them a little credit. WilyD 20:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Popularity is no excuse for having articles about ridiculous minutiae like this. Recury 20:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Popularity is not significance either. The latter is a reason to cover things in depth. WilyD 20:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "In depth!" That's a nice way of putting it. Another way would be "in so much depth that no one except Simpsons fans could possibly care about it."
 * That's true, but the former statement is true, but the latter statement is false. The article is appropriate, and This article covers this encyclopaedic subject too well is a lousy criterion for deletion. WilyD 08:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment What other TV show has a character with over 100 jobs? Darksun 21:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep the jobs article, delete the vehicles article. --Darksun 21:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * keep this article-someone put a lot of time and effort into it. It is no worse or better than many other articles. aegir101
 * Keep big lists and useful information. --Caldorwards4 22:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Recury and 23skidoo. Lazybum 23:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep for List of Homer Simpson's jobs. Homer's "wacky new job of the week" is a very well-known and much-discussed aspect of the series. Very weak keep for List of vehicles in The Simpsons.  This one is pretty crufty, but the Simpsons is such a cultural phenomenon that we might as well keep it. Zagalejo 01:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Neutral as to the jobs, delete the vehicles. --Metropolitan90 02:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 'Delete both, as per my nomination. PMA 04:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete pn - these articles while well done are not encylopedic enough for a general interest encyclopedia ++Lar: t/c 14:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with the above comment that Homer's constantly changing jobs are a well-known recurring gag on the Simpsons. It's even self-referenced on the show occasionally. Delete list of vehicles - these aren't generally the source of running gags on the show, except for the Simpson family's two regular cars being destroyed frequently and then magically fixing themselves. --Natalie 20:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep the list of Homer's jobs. This article is the result of the work of several people and Homer's jobs are a staple of the series. Delete the list of vehicles and merge some of the more important ones into The Simpsons article itself.Toonmon2005 22:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. This level of detail, in list form, is inappropriate for a general-purpose encyclopedia.  It's truly fancruft. Nandesuka 14:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Homer's job is clearly an important plot element that merits analysis within the Simpsons oeuvre. It is frequently discussed in Simpsons literature and critical studies. The vehicle page is less vital, but certainly deserves inclusion if we want encyclopedic coverage of this pathbreaking show. Both fully adhere to the Notability (fiction) guideline on how to treat this type of subject, although more refs would be welcome. --JJay 22:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete both per Bwithh: yes, Homer changing jobs is a Simpson trope, but the jobs are not important. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete the list of vehicles; neutral for the list of jobs. At least Homer's jobs are an important element in the show. But vehicles? Honestly, they rarely play a role, and nobody needs an encyclopedia article to learn that Otto the School Bus Driver drives a school bus and Mr. Burns has a limo. Important one-shot vehicles are already covered in the episodes featuring them. Maestlin 18:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Valuable info that should be kept. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 21:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep This would not set a precedent for other articles like this to be made, as hardly any TV shows have characters that could possibly have an article like this. This is the sort of information that would normally be on the character's main page, as a brief note, but this is an exceptional case: the number of jobs is so huge that it can constitute it's own article. This is basically a part of his main article, but it is too unwieldy to not have seperate. --Rayshaw 22:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * User's second edit CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 05:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep This is just a cartoon show. You people should have better things to do than care about the list of vehicles vs. list of jobs of a fictitious character.
 * Keep Very well known list. --IcyGeddon 05:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * User's fourth edit CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 05:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Very Strong Keep List of Homer's jobs is an excellent piece of popular culture. There really isn't a more compelling reason to delete it than the fact that you (the person suggesting the deletion) hates it. --Bluebulb 09:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * User's fifth edit CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 05:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * User's second edit --Rubber cat 02:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete If "listcruft" has any meaning, it is this. Non-encyclopedic, doesn't belong here. Medico80 15:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Both lists don't belong here. Isn't there some kind of Simpsons Wiki out there? Post it on there. Homer's one time jobs certainly don't belong here. RobJ1981 23:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep It's not like Wikipedia is going to run out of paper --Rubber cat 02:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete both as per nomination --RMHED 01:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep DXRAW 13:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.