Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Honolulu Police Department officers killed in the line of duty


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 02:09, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

List of Honolulu Police Department officers killed in the line of duty

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WP:NOTMEMORIAL; none of the men on this list possess articles on themselves either. — Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 22:09, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hawaii-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:59, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:00, 31 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete This is not a proper list, which is supposed to be a list of links to articles. As noted above, none of these individuals have articles. I have inserted a link to the police department's "Roll of Honor" into the article Honolulu Police Department; IMO that is the most we can do. --MelanieN (talk) 17:18, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Melanie, that is total nonsense. See criteria 2 of Lists (stand-alone lists). Another example is WP:NASTRO's directions regarding minor planets. What you propose is preposterous and would probably kill the encyclopedia if it became a guideline. James500 (talk) 17:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:LISTPEOPLE says that people included in a list should either satisfy the notability guidelines, or, alternatively, be famous for a specific event. It does not require them to have articles. James500 (talk) 20:33, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I do not think "Being killed in the line of duty" counts as a notable event under Wikipedia guidelines. It gets local press but that's usually it.— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 21:09, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Withdrawing my "delete" vote based on the policies cited below. --MelanieN (talk) 03:23, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


 * This list appears to be a daughter list of List of American police officers killed in the line of duty. LISTN says that we can spin off daughter lists without regard to notability as long as the parent list is notable. The manual of style envisages lists that contain no individually notable entries. James500 (talk) 17:50, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Who says that any of these "list of [nationality/city] police officers killed in the line of duty" articles should really be on Wikipedia?— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 21:09, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:LISTN. That none of the entries on the list are independently notable is explicitly *not* a criterion for list deletion.  It's clear that "Police officers killed in the line of duty" is a notable subject, and just as clear that "Police officers from city X killed in the line of duty" is notable.  The criterion is that the entries on the list must be discussed by RS as a group.  That's clearly the case here.  There are a bunch of these articles, and every last one of them satisfies LISTN.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:37, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:CSC says list members don't need to be notable which by definition means they do not need to be links to articles. Nothing in WP:NOTMEMORIAL applies here. VMS Mosaic (talk) 02:50, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I forgot about WP:CSC. Thanks for bringing that into the discussion.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:26, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Satisfies LISTN. James500 (talk) 09:10, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable and noteworthy subject matter. Educational and encyclopedic. Very well sourced throughout. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:49, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It's a list of cops in Honolulu who died. How is it educational?— Ryūlóng ( 琉竜 ) 10:39, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.