Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hot 100 (U.S.) chart achievements and trivia


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The result was Keep. JERRY talk contribs 04:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

List of Hot 100 (U.S.) chart achievements and trivia

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This article is a indiscriminate, sprawling, and arbitrary mass of Hot 100 statistics, in violation of WP:NOT. It has virtually no explanatory text to establish context or significance for any one of the biggest/longest/most/highest/whatnot sections, and its length and lack of logical flow makes it impenetrable to any but the most dedicated readers. In addition, while WP:TRIVIA discourages the use of trivia sections in articles, this article in its title embraces the fact that the entire article is trivia. WP:TRIVIA does encourage preserving the content of trivia sections where it can be properly incorporated into a "logical ... and ... integrated presentation, providing context and smooth transitions", which I completely support. In this case, that should take the form of incorporating a well-selected and relative few of these statistics logically into Billboard Hot 100. Does that article have a history of becoming overcluttered with these indiscriminate statistics? Perhaps. But that is better solved by policing the quality of that article, rather than keeping List of Hot 100 (U.S.) chart achievements and trivia as a dumping ground for poor quality content. Ipoellet (talk) 02:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as an almost entirely unsourced pile of trivia and listcruft. I think that some of the bigger achievements, such as longest chart run, longest time spent at #1, and songs that debuted at #1, could easily be merged into the main Billboard Hot 100 article. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The long history of "chart-watching" is a central part of Billboard Magazine's purpose and appeal. This history is reflected in a succession of encyclopedic books devoted to the topic, which have been published and updated for more than three decades (see: http://www.recordresearch.com/), as well as popular countdown shows from "Your Hit Parade" to Casey Kasem.  The recent news coverage of Kanye West vs. 50 Cent "showdown" over whose album would debut at #1 indicates that this general interest in "chart achievements and trivia" continues.  Artists such as Mariah Carey and The Beatles have released best-selling compilation albums whose contents are entirely based on the types of statistical accomplishments archived on this page.  Numerous topics such as the Academy Awards, baseball, and television ratings have separate and subsidiary "list"-style pages on Wikipedia (i.e. []; []; []).  This article is well in keeping with those, and others.One Sweet Edit (talk) 05:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. As poster above says, much of this material appears in numerous books and shows the diversity of popular music and it's changes.  While this entire article is made of trivia, even a small amount would likely continued to be expanded at the main article (Billboard Hot 100), and eventually be split off again.  Trivia is part of the charts, and it is constantly being used by DJs and others.  Trivia about the Hot 100 deserves an article. Squad51 (talk) 05:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yikes....so we discourage trivia SECTIONS, but we're going to concede the existence of an entire trivia ARTICLE?? That's a slippery slope waiting to happen...and I say that as one of the most droolingly chart-centric human beings ever. There's got to be a better way to do this than to make a special exception--because once Billboard has ITS special exception, like the fly in the soup, everybody's gonna want one.Gladys J Cortez 16:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - as someone who has worked extensively on this article, I'll say it was originally created because the "major" milestones used to be in the main Hot 100 article, and since the section kept growing and growing I (believe it or not), cut it down and moved it to where it is today. I do believe that the title of the article is cumbersome and since "trivia" is a dirty word around here, it should be renamed (actually a discussion began a while ago on its talk page).  That said, I believe much of this is notable, so much so that books, etc. have been published as OSE states above.  Perhaps it is time again to prune the article. - eo (talk) 21:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep : as per One Sweet Edit. Europe22 (talk) 00:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep : If this page is deleted, then Wikipedia will lose a very informative page about the past, present, and future of popular music in the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcbridelr (talk • contribs) 02:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep :I think that "One Sweet Edit" is right Alecsdaniel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecsdaniel (talk • contribs) 18:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think there's any dispute that this information is interesting or if books have been written about it, but rather wither the content is encyclopedic. The current longest/quickest/top/whatever is worth mentioning in Billboard Hot 100, but the rest of it is more appropriately covered in a book specifically geared to this subject. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 23:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


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