Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Indian Academy Award winners and nominees


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:14, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

List of Indian Academy Award winners and nominees

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Appears to fail WP:LISTN no indication that the subset of Oscar winners and nominees who are Indian is a notable intersection. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep perfectly notable, presuming the inclusion criteria will soon be adequately defined. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What evidence of that notability are you using to make that !vote? There are no references discussing the topic as a whole in the article. Certainly sources are available for each member saying they are indian, and that they won/nominated, but that is not the same thing as saying "Indian Oscars" are being discussed anywhere. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm saying it seems like a perfectly reasonable intersection, as long as we can define what "Indian" means. There is plenty of chat on the web (e.g. Times of India) about Indian people or Indian films winning Academy Awards, I don't see the problem here.  The Rambling Man (talk) 07:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * "seems like a reasonable intersection" is found nowhere in WP:N. Are there reliable sources discussing this topic as a whole? Gaijin42 (talk) 14:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, are you looking for a lookie-likie list, or just evidence that Indian Academy Award winners have been noted? Naturally the former may be a stretch, the latter is blindingly obvious in numerous reliable sources. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * For discussion purposes, lets step away from Oscars directly, and to the larger topic of acting. Certainly there are many books discussing the history of Indian actors (in India) and I would presume there would be sources discussing the history of Indian actors in America (as there are similar works discussing east asian acting in hollywood such as  and . I am not aware of Indian specific sources that are analagous to these, but I think the existence of such sources is plausible. Are any of those sources about Indian Oscars? (Or dedicate signficant coverage to the concept of why indians dont meet, meet, or exceed the expected rate of oscar nominations/wins, politics of the oscars etc. Obviously there are passing and newspaper references to individual winners, and some minor notes saying "so and so was the first since" or "first in category X", but it is my opinion that those sources lend notability to the subject of that article (so and so) and not the concept of "Indian Oscars" which I have yet to see any evidence that anyone has written about or studied in depth. Gaijin42 (talk) 17:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Aha, okay, you're probably right, there's no "list of Indian Academy Award winners" out there. So let's delete this one.  And all the others that Lugnuts has noted.  A helpful move for an eclectic encyclopedia.  It's not important to me, so please, continue to argue amongst yourselves.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete this article is almost purely based on unverifiable WP:OR content since no source is available for the big picture. Many in this list are not even Indians. It is better to remove this dubious article alltogether. --  Dravidian   Hero  21:33, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Question - Why do you think that Ismail Merchant and Deepa Mehta should not be in this list? Why do you think that Ismail Merchant although being Indian-born (born in Bombay), is not right to be placed in this list? Please explain to us, that's all I ask for. I respect everyone's opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.200.240.231 (talk) 11:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Deepa Mehta had Canadian citizenship when she was nominated. In case of Ismail Merchant it's not clear from sources whether he was Indian or American at the time of nomination. Per Biographies of living persons there shouldn't be questionable content about persons.--  Dravidian   Hero  14:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * In that case, they can be removed. 117.200.240.231 (talk) 14:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S.- Salaam Bombay was the second Indian film to be nominated in the foreign film category.117.200.240.231 (talk) 14:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Mira Nair wasn't Indian at that time anymore. I don't know the criteria for Indian submissions though. I believe it's the language of the film which made it elligible.--  Dravidian   Hero  14:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oscars official page .   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.200.240.231 (talk) 15:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Dravidianhero has been indefinitely blocked as a sockpuppeteer. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize the user was sockpuppeeting.117.200.240.74 (talk) 11:44, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - no indication that the subject of the list "Indian Academy Award winners and nominees" is the subject of the sort of secondary reliable sources that support the idea that this subject is notable. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 00:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Abecedare (talk) 01:24, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment Note that there are 20 or so similar lists here.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 06:24, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Although certainly "otherstuff", I think many of those fall into this same boat (but possibly not all). I will likely use this AFD as a trial baloon, and depending on the result do a group AFD for the others that do not have evidence of notability. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * When you do find one with your version of notability, please be sure to let us know. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Now now, play nice, children. While I can't speak for Gaijin42, what I would like to see in support for this and similar lists are independent reliable sources that substantively discuss the concept of being of a particular nationality or ethnicity and being nominated for or winning an Oscar. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 17:44, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Who is discussing the overall topic of indian oscars, as opposed to the particular winner who happens to be indian. Gaijin42 (talk) 17:53, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * What are you both talking about? I just asked for the prime example to be notified to us, once it's found.  I have no idea what you are talking about Gaijin42, but that's not surprising.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep The subject of Oscar winners/nominees and nationality is often of interest in the home country, and certainly so in the case of India. Coverage of "Indian Oscar winners" and highlighting links of Oscar winners to India is frankly an annual ritual in the Indian press as demonstrated by these links:, , , , , , , , , , , . The article's inclusion criterion needs clarification, but that's matter for the article talk page, not AFD. Abecedare (talk) 18:34, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at the proffered sources, they seem to be several varieties of "Indian people like it when Indian people win Oscars" but there's not the same thing as discussion of the list's subject of being Indian and an Oscar winner/nominee is itself notable. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 19:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Abecedare. In the first link that you told, there were two Indian nominations not added in the list. I have added them.117.200.240.74 (talk) 11:44, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep per Abecedare. Define the inclusion criteria without any ambiguity (especially the word "Indian").  Salih  ( talk ) 18:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * nominator keep The sources found by abecedare are exactly the type I was hoping for. Particularly the ones discussing the topic outside of a recent winner, but a true discussion of the entire topic from a historical/meta perspective. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:31, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You mean some from the Times of India which I indicated to you earlier? Interesting insight into your modus operandi.  Thanks.  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * You mention a giant newspaper and expect me to crawl through it. And then respond in the most sarcastic method possible. Interesting insight into your modus operandi. Thanks.Gaijin42 (talk) 20:34, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. You see, I was correct.  Never mind.  Thanks for changing your mind;  next time try a search on a mainstream Indian newspaper before wasting our time.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * So that's a withdraw and close then?  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 06:50, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
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