Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Indian writers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Fabrictramp |  talk to me  20:18, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

List of Indian writers

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As it stands, this article serves no purpose that does not. A WP:HEY criterion would be that the article would have to be organized in some meaningful way. Failing that, there is no reason for this list to exist. Jaysweet (talk) 19:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete We have serious issues with these massive list/category combinations that allow anybody to add an insignificant name to the group that usually never gets checked and sourced, must less has an article written. Bulldog123 (talk) 19:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete How is this not a copy of Category:Indian writers? I think this might technically qualify for WP:CSD; though it's a list article, it doesn't provide any real content beyond that list. --/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 20:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, the list duplicates the category. I have a different opinion of lists which actually contain text, but this has none. Corvus cornix  talk  23:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  02:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  02:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OR Lists of writers are inherently subjective. Artene50 (talk) 04:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete This list duplicates .  Masterpiece2000  ( talk ) 04:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep See Category:Lists of writers by nationality. Either delete all 100 lists or none. – sgeureka t•c 11:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * :List of Austrian writers at least has some context for each, so it does provide something the category does not. But yeah, I think most of those lists could be deleted. Why have a bare list that is redundant with (and less complete than) the category? --Jaysweet (talk) 11:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. "Redundant with Category" is not a valid delete criterion. See WP:CLS and the nutshell section of WP:LIST. Those invalidate the nom and the first four !votes here. That leaves "lists of writers are inherently subjective", which on the face of it is both untrue and irrelevant, although I'll be happy to discuss if the point can be explained more clearly. AndyJones (talk) 12:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Retract nominataion with reservations - Huh. WP:CLS does indeed seem to support this... although I really don't understand the rationale for that part of WP:CLS. As I said before, I see the point of a list that is redundant with a category if it provides more context and/or a more convenient (or at least different) sorting method. This particular list, though, the only purposes I see it serving are 1) allowing anyone to add anything without the proper notability vetting that deletion process for articles gives, and 2) provide the opportunity for discrepancies, errors, and pranks. But, since the page appears to be supported by a guideline, I'll retract my nomination. (But I will also delete all the redlinks and such from the article) --Jaysweet (talk) 17:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: although I don't object to Jaysweet's retraction per se, the fact that there are delete suggestions here means that the discussion should remain open for the complete period of time. Corvus cornix  talk  18:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree we shouldn't speedy-close withdrawn nominations where there are other delete votes. I think this feeling that some editors have that lists which are redundant with categories are a bad thing arises from a sense of immediatism. The point to remember is that Wikipedia is a work in progress, and that a list which is incomplete and unhelpful today has the potential to expand beyond what a category can provide. There is a discussion of the principles at Wikipedia talk:Lists. Also, I'd add that although I approve removing the redlinks in this particular case, I'd encourage everyone to remember that redlinks are a good thing, providing directions for the encyclopedia to expand. AndyJones (talk) 07:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * :Yeah, after reading WP:CLS more closely, I realized that is one of the purported advantages of lists, is that it gives you redlinks. I'm just not so sure this is workable. My reasoning for despising lists in practice, when I understand their value in theory, is very much related to why I no longer consider myself an inclusionist. Heh, in fact what initially drew me to the article is some guy had created a promotional article about himself (soon to be deleted) and spammed a half-dozen articles with a wikilink to that. I was cleaning it up when I came across this article and realized half a dozen other people had done the same thing, ha ha ha... Oh well! --Jaysweet (talk) 13:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve. Hopefully there are people who know about Indian writers and can fill this list. 67.173.248.52 (talk) 01:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Redundant to Category:Indian writers -- JForget 23:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As already discussed above, "redundant with category" is contrary to a guideline and is not a valid delete criterion. If you want your vote to be counted, can you explain why our guideline doesn't, in your view, apply in this case? AndyJones (talk) 07:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * When did we start voting on things?--Finalnight (talk) 17:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * AfD used to be called Votes for Deletion. It's pretty common to refer to comments here as votes. In view of its changed status some of us (rather pretentiously) call them "!votes" now. AndyJones (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Some lists are redundant with categories, but this has potential to be usefully expanded with info, unlinke a cat.Yobmod (talk) 10:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIR--Finalnight (talk) 17:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.