Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Indigenous people of the Americas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus; keep. Johnleemk | Talk 16:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

List of Indigenous people of the Americas
Redundant, this is what categories are for. Unmaintainable list. Violates WP:NOT. Needs to be Deleted. Gateman1997 18:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete listcruft. KillerChihuahua?!? 20:22, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. RasputinAXP  talk contribs 22:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Ancestry is up to debate and hard to verify (Angelina Jolie? Really??) Bmdavll talk 03:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

If accurate and not duplicated: add to it! User: focusoninfinity
 * More valid than List of African Americans. Keep. B.Wind
 * That should be deleted too. Someone should nominate it.Gateman1997 17:14, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment, this page has already survived an afd. See Articles for deletion/List of Native Americans. The result was keep but move to List of Indigenous people of the Americas. --maclean25 00:59, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete get rid of it EscapeArtistsNeverDie 01:39, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, it's category material. Stifle 14:28, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, It's better than nothing and what a shame to have nothing. I say keep it and let it get updated instead. Minority history is sorely lacking in this country! User: friendly
 * Keep it would be racist to delete this list and keep the others.  Grue   15:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment, we did delete List of Caucasian Americans.Gateman1997 06:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That's because it's redundant with more specialised lists. I don't see any evidence that the content of this list is available anywhere else on Wikipedia.  Grue   19:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete listcruft --Jaranda wat's sup 02:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. This is again an abuse of AfD- the list was voted keep 2 weeks ago. Nom should be withdrawn. -- JJay 18:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment, I wasn't aware of the previous nom when this was nominated. However it stands as the deletion of several other racial groups has now set a preceedent. We don't need list of people by race.Gateman1997 19:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Your opinion of what we need or don't need is not relevant. At present, you are aware of the previous nom and the result of Keep. Your nom should be immediately withdrawn on procedural grounds. Otherwise, I assume this nom was made in bad faith from the beginning. -- JJay 19:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment, that's your perogotive, however since the situation has changed since the previous AFD the nomination stands.Gateman1997 19:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Nothing has changed in two weeks to justify this nom. Nothing. -- JJay 22:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * As I said, that is your opinion, however the fact that serveral lists of people by race have been deleted since that AFD counters your opinion.Gateman1997 22:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: If you bothered to follow VfD, you would know that some were deleted before this list was voted Keep. Some lists have been kept repeatedly. Some are deleted. The fact that certain lists may or may not have been deleted in the last two weeks changes nothing- particularly regarding wikipedia policy. There have been no material changes to Articles for deletion/Precedents. No precedents have been set. What you are saying is nonsense. Your nom is out of order. -- JJay 22:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Further Comment: In fact, this nom is pure bad faith. You have not disclosed that you created List of Caucasian Americans on Nov 29 to make a point. Furthermore, you have stated above that you were not aware of the previous nom for the Native American list. In fact, you talk directly about it here User_talk:Calton. You have not only violated procedure, you are not being honest or transparent with any of the voters on this AfD. -- JJay 23:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The fact I created List of Caucasian Americans is irrelevant and it was not created to make a point as it was a legit article based on preceedent set by the AFD on List of African Americans, however that preceedent has now been superceeded in my opinion by the deletion of the Caucasian list. And I don't see what that link has to do with List of Native Americans or this List of Indigenous people of the Americas as it was neither mentioned in that discussion you link to nor even implied.Gateman1997 23:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * And as for my list being a collection of indiscriminate information... consensus is on my side when you consider we keep lists of African Americans, Native Americans--- signed by you two weeks ago from that link. -- JJay 00:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Your point? Consensus has obviously changed if now we're deleting racial lists.Gateman1997 00:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * My point- honesty...oh, btw, should I warn you when I vote for something? just want to save you the trouble of having to check my contribs. -- JJay 00:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't flatter yourself, you're not the only one whose Contribs to AFD I've perused today.Gateman1997 00:58, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It's nice that you find a way to occupy your time. -- JJay 07:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. This list can never be accurate. Ethnicities are not yes/no things. You cannot say this person is an Indigenous person because somewhere down the line they had a relative who was Indigenous person. My great-grandfather emigrated to Canada from the Ukraine. Does that make me Ukrainian? If so, then I'm also Scottish, French and Irish. This list would be fine if it was about culture or religion (things people choose to take part in and can be referenced - or do we not need proof for the labelling we do?) but ethnicities are too blurry of a concept. --maclean25 00:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep. Shades of Indian Removal and assimilation! This list takes up little space, gives people an introduction to some noted people of Indian ancestry. I don't understand the claim that it's unmaintainable. That's up to people who care about it. As for questions of "authenticity", if you're unsure, ask an Indian. This isn't just about *ethnicity*, it's also about *culture*. And some history that some folks may find uncomfortable. Twang 02:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * This isn't about culture. I'd be ok with culture-oriented lists, such as 'List of Aboriginal Artists' or 'List of Native American writers'. But this list is only about ethnicity. It gives the wrong impression to readers: that somebody is either an 'Indigenous person' or not. --maclean25 06:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete all listcruft, use categories instead. --Ryano 18:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.