Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Indonesians


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Tim Song (talk) 03:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

List of Indonesians

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Nominating for deletion as per WP:INDISCRIMINATE Davidelit (Talk) 17:51, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete should be cat, IS cat.--Savonneux (talk) 20:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep It looks like a mess, but the argument that "it's already a category" seldom works. Kinda like "Why go to a synagogue when there's a nice Baptist church in town?"  For a nation of 230 million people, Indonesia seldom gets mention in the American press, so a well-developed set of lists of politicians, entertainers, scientists, etc. would be most welcome.  Mandsford 21:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I shouldve been more specific. No lead section, lots of redlinks per WP:LSC, lists of people are supposed to be comprised of people who are notable because of the topic of the list per WP:SALAT. Now if it were a list of lists of people who were Indonesian, i.e. if someone made a list of this cat Category:Lists_of_Indonesian_people I would go keep because those are generally acceptable.--Savonneux (talk) 22:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions.  —SatuSuro 01:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - WP Indonesia has had indscriminate lists for the duration of the project - and they simply show that the project credibility is regularly eroded by lists of names of things - usually red links. This list - if you check the talk page has had comments from over 2 years ago by myself advising that ad hoc addition to red links or no links at all would be deleted - as a means of discouraging mess. As a list it is a useful link to Indonesians who are notable who have had legitimate articles.  As a list - it can only function if due diligence of editors who work on the Indonesian project check it and keep it clean.   Where this falls down is the person hours spent on project maintenance on the WP Indonesia project gets to a critical minimal - and the red links and fictitious notability items creep in.
 * I would not support keep if the rate of red links that keep getting added are sustained in number over time without some provision for semi protection of clear indication that only legitimate blue links can be added.
 * I would not support delete as it has existed for at least 3 years - and when adequately on watch of a few experienced editors like Indonesia or Borobudur - It can be adequately policed.  If it can be shown that the indonesian project has got to the point where a few editors cannot sustain adequate watch over a few lists - well then... SatuSuro 02:09, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Too broad of a topic, per WP:SALAT and WP:NOTDIR to have an encyclopedic article built around it. What do these people have in common other than the fact they are from Indonesia? On the plus side, the section on Miss Indonesia Universe winners seems discriminate enough for a valid spinout.  Them  From  Space  03:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The Miss Indonesia Universe winners table is in List of Miss Indonesia Universe title winners, an apparently machine translated article (try reading it), which is a spinout from the Puteri Indonesia article. All rather messy. Davidelit (Talk) 04:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - the topic for this list is far too broad. - Whpq (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - pointless. Can anyone explain its purpose? --Merbabu (talk) 22:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It allows users to browse for notable Indonesians. Polarpanda (talk) 14:47, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - I see these kind of arguments frequently in AfD: The article is sub-standard so lets delete it.  Granted, its not that specific a list, but rather than deleting the information, FIX IT.  If the individual sections need to be spun out into smaller sections because its unmanageable, do that.  If there are too many red links, delete the ones that apparently have not purpose or justification . . . or if you know there is a justification, then write the @#$% article.  But wholesale deletion is never the answer.  Who cares how long you've been complaining about the article, nobody else has been motivated to fix what you complain about.  Looking at the specifics of the article:  "Comedians" is weak, only one WP link, "Education-related" shows all red links--it definitely needs some work, "Auto Racing" is half red, "Entertainment" maybe a third red.  Four weak sections out of twenty?  Is that justification to delete the whole article?Trackinfo (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem isn't that the article is incomplete, its that a complete article would be so long and broad in scope as to be of no benefit to the encyclopedia and little use to readers. WP:IINFO applies here.  Them From  Space  03:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - if there were known Indonesian project editors (or others) with this list on watch - as had happened with a few other specific lists - red links are removed on the basis that such lists are pointless (to red links) - and only go to blue links - that is 'live valid articles' - on that basis the arguments by the delete/pointless supporters fail to see the utility of such a list identifying the actual notable indonesians within the scope/range as having articles about them. The topic may seem broad but the capture is specific and has a definite scope - list of current valid articles about notable Indonesians. SatuSuro 00:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and Break into more descrete lists, ie. List of Indonesian Politicians, etc. This list meets WP:List and is clearly useful for helping editors expand coverage of notable Indonesians per WP:CLN.  There is absolutely nothing indiscriminate about this list.  If an entry is not a notable Indonesian and cannot be sourced as such, then delete the entry.  Breaking this list into more descrete lists will only improve coverage of notable Indonesians. Per Merbabu, Pointless is not a reason for deletion.--Mike Cline (talk) 13:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, can be clean up via normal editing, and since it's divided into sections sublists can be split off as necessary. See List of Canadians for a healthier example. Polarpanda (talk) 14:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.