Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Israeli attacks on the Gaza strip


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. As is usual with Israel/Palestine topics, a consensus is hard to arrive at. There are a lot of people making the statement that it's a POVFORK, but certainly not enough to make me think there's agreement on such an inherently subjective question. Lankiveil (speak to me) 22:59, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

List of Israeli attacks on the Gaza strip

 * – ( View AfD View log  of Israeli attacks on the Gaza strip Stats )

Unsourced article that may not meet notability guidelines. MarMemurmar (talk) 15:16, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2014 August 18.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 16:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment. Something in the news every day can't be excluded on grounds of notability.  This request needs a better case. Zerotalk 02:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment I find it strange that the first edit of the account is an AFD.Nevertheless the article is WP:POVFORK--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 05:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Not strange at all - unregistered users are unable to create the AFD in the Wikipedia: namespace, there are ways around it but usually the easiest is to create an account. Peter James (talk) 22:01, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Some of the attacks in the article are false. Israel didn't attack here, here and here. I suggest to delete this list or change the article's name to "List of Israel-Gaza conflicts". I'm sorry if you don't understand my English. MarMemurmar (talk) 06:21, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * re : Then improve the list. No reason to delete. By the way, how come you only made three edits so far, so good? Did you edit earlier under another name? -DePiep (talk) 22:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:POVFORK of the Template:Israel–Gaza_conflict Gaza–Israel conflict,  . Exactly the same information exists there the list its only needed to blame one side of this conflict but it would be kept it should be renamed like  suggest--Shrike (talk) 14:27, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you'd have a stronger claim that it duplicates Gaza–Israel conflict, in part because, as Nick-D correctly points out below, lists and templates can co-exist on the same topic per WP:CLN. postdlf (talk) 16:11, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep A suggestion that a list of major events in the Arab-Israeli conflict may not meet notability guidelines doesn't seem sensible given the in-depth coverage this topic receives in the media and academic sources. Lists can comfortably exist alongside templates, and routinely do. I agree with MarMemurmar's suggestion that this article be renamed to "List of Israel-Gaza conflicts" or similar, but AfD isn't the process through which that should be considered. Nick-D (talk) 11:31, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Part duplicative, part lacking context. 31.131.247.138 (talk) 07:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:POVFORK, duplicating Gaza–Israel conflict.--Smerus (talk) 19:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Gaza–Israel conflict. There's nothing wrong with having both a list and a template for these attacks, but the name of the list indicates a POV to the whole situation.  In keeping with WP:NPOV, I think sending searchers to the main article until a more neutral list can be developed at a different title is the most workable solution.  Keeping it as a redirect not only allows the search term to survive in case those words are looked up (which I could actually see, it's not that unusual) as well as preserves the article history for said potential future list should someone decide to create it.   Red Phoenix  let's talk... 21:43, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Consensus in Articles for deletion/List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel is that the title's acceptable. Peter James (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep looks like this is intended as a counterpart to pages such as Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel and sub-articles, which were kept recently at AFD. It also makes List of Israeli attacks on Gaza, 2009 (and possibly other pages) easier to find - in the proposed redirect target, that list is only linked in a collapsed template at the end of the page. Peter James (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem is under dispute who attacked who so what Nick-D suggested is quite reasonable i.e rename it to "List of Israel-Gaza conflicts". Would you agree?--Shrike (talk) 14:31, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. I created this page, but was not notified for this XfD. Also worrying is that the nom has made three edits all their life, exactly focusing into this AfD. -DePiep (talk) 22:06, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep lists are for navigating, so they can't really duplicate articles, which serve another purpose. That, and the fact that it doesn't present a particular point of view, show that the POVFORK argument is wholly invalid. Wily D  09:19, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Of course it does as it represent the view it was Israel attacked first. Will you agree for rename kind Nick-D suggested?--Shrike (talk) 14:34, 29 August 2014 (UTC)--Shrike (talk) 14:34, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Simply the attacks on a timelimne. Sources are in the article (what sources does the nom expect in a list, or a category?). How is such a chronology not notable? It is also helpful to get an overview in naming variants. -DePiep (talk) 09:59, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:POVFORK of many other conflict pages and timelines. Kroy man (talk) 10:25, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. As said above, pretty clearly a WP:POVFORK. mikeman67 (talk) 13:53, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't see how it's a "POV" article when we have an article like Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel. Nor does it seem to be a"fork" since that article also list the attacks as well. However, the article as of now lacks sources so that should be fixed immediately. This article may also be expanded to included raids in Gaza as well. AcidSnow (talk) 21:59, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.