Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Israeli soldiers killed in 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:34, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

List of Israeli soldiers killed in 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict

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How do we know if this is complete and if it is true.  NickGibson3900 Talk 07:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  Ascii002 Talk Contribs GuestBook 13:15, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete "Possible incompleteness" is not the main argument for deletion. Many countries have lists in newspapers and books of their soldiers killed in wars, even superpowers in world wars, but we do not publish them in lists like this because Wikipedia is not a memorial. See a collection of records of World War 1 war dead, for instance. I do not see why different standards should apply to different countries. Edison (talk) 14:50, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a WP:MEMORIAL. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. WP:MEMORIAL is actually another formulation of WP:NOTABILITY. Each or most individuals killed have received extensive coverage in Israeli media subsequent to their death. Israeli is much smaller and different than other Western countries and each death is a big deal. -- brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 23:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment' So the death of a soldier from that country is more inherently notable than the death of a soldier from some other country? Amazing. The first few soldiers from any country to die in a conflict get just as much coverage as these, and are also not notable. Edison (talk) 03:21, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails List of People criteria; the main rule is that people shall only be included in a list if they are individually notable or famous per BLP1. Not every soldier or even most soldiers who die in war are famous, not even by BLP1 standard, and the soldiers included here seem to overwhelmingly lack particular notability. Iselilja (talk) 23:55, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Fails WP:LISTN.--180.172.239.231 (talk) 03:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable because as a group and as individuals these soldiers have not only received significant coverage, their deaths have influenced the ocurse of events, i.e. the large # of casualties is said to have influenced Israeli public opinion which, since it is a democracy, affects policy.  To demonstrate how easy sourcing will be I will source one or 2 of them now. The editors voting to delete seem to object to this as ineligible on grounds that it is a list, however....ShulMaven (talk) 15:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note Many Wikipedia articles: Assassinated Catholic priests in Guatemala, Foreign hostages in Iraq, Foreign hostages in Afghanistan, Foreign hostages in Nigeria, Foreign hostages in Somalia comprised of lists of otherwise non-notable individuals make it clear that there is no "rule": "that people shall only be included in a list if they are individually notable or famous per BLP1"   Clearly there are numerous lists on Wikipedia in which being in the category puts you on the list.  Membership in such a category makes articles notable.  Look, for example, at Beheading video, a list of individuals several of whom are notable only for having been brutally beheaded (clicking leads in several cases only to articles about the beheadings, not to articles about the person.  The sole argument for taking this article down (that lists must consist of Wikipedia-notable people - doesn't hold water. ShulMaven (talk) 17:52, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Turns out that there are enormous numbers of lists of otherwise non-notable people deemed WP-notable solely because of the specific manner of their deaths List of journalists killed during the Mahdist War, List of American police officers killed in the line of duty, List of people killed by law enforcement officers in the United Kingdom, some are lists of soldiers killed in other wars, List of footballers killed during World War II, List of cricketers who were killed during military service and many, many more such.  Again, my point is that those arguing for deletion need to provide grounds for deletion other than a "rule" that has been long and widely ignored by Wikipedia editors. ShulMaven (talk) 18:02, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Also check out List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, September 2014. Note this is for one month and there is another list for each prior month. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Aside from WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, each of these other lists at least have some (arguably) significant trait in common, whereas just being soldiers killed in a non-war does not qualify. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:41, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Uniformed police officers killed in the line of duty are article-worth while uniformed soldiers killed in the line of duty are not? Clarityfiend, do you truly want to defend that line of argument? My point here is not WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS it is that rules - if they exist - need to be applied in an even-handed manner. Does not exclude all lists of people notable only for their participation in a single event. Rather, it includes all of the above lists -  and these soldiers - under  BLP1E or BIO1EShulMaven (talk) 16:42, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. A memorial page for a number of non-notable individuals whose deaths were newsy, non-notable events. If similar pages likewise violate our policies and guidelines, they too should be nominated, rather than allowing the mass of bad articles to grow. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 01:15, 5 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Too much media coverage focusing on this to delete solely because it resembles a memorial. Per WP:COMMONSENSE. Mr. Guye (talk) 22:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per Iselilja and Roscelese. Many similar articles (for instance, lists of US troops killed in the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan) have been deleted for these reasons. Nick-D (talk) 00:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Over 20 million soldiers died in World War II: should Wikipedia have an article List of soldiers killed in the Second World War? I don't think so; therefore, it should not have this article either. SJK (talk) 05:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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