Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Ivy League business schools


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. From the main article "The use of the phrase is no longer limited to athletics, and now represents an educational philosophy inherent to the nation's oldest schools.[4] In addition, Ivy League schools are often viewed by the public as some of the most prestigious universities worldwide and are often ranked amongst the best universities in the United States and worldwide.[5]" WP:OTHERSTUFF aside, it is not analogous to other such groupings based solely on athletic competition. As that argument is demonstrably flawed the argument to keep outweighs the argument to delete. Beeblebrox (talk) 07:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Procedural note It's somewhat moot now as it has been kept again, but it should probably have been mentioned that this is actually the third nomination of this article:
 * Articles for deletion/Ivy League business schools.
 * Articles for deletion/Ivy League business schools (2nd nomination)
 * Beeblebrox (talk) 07:05, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

List of Ivy League business schools


Grouping a set of mainly graduate business schools by their undergraduate sports league affiliation does not make sense. While the term "Ivy League" is colloquially used to refer to the schools collectively, doing so to group individual parts of those institutions, especially graduate schools, does not have any significance or notability. You would not have a list of Pac-10 medical schools. At most, it could be a category, but a category, a template, and an article are unnecessary. Jadunne (talk) 06:56, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * delete I agree. Just because these are the "top 10" schools for sports in no way means that any other part of the school is necessarily of the same caliber.  I feel that such a template is quite misleading. Banaticus (talk) 07:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh? There are just six of them, not ten.  Moreover, they're definitely not top sports schools, and they haven't been since the early twentieth century.  Nyttend (talk) 07:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Nominator's assertions have no basis in reality. Contrary to the nominator's assertions, the Ivy League is far more than a sports league; its name is used to refer to these schools in a wide range of scholastic settings.  Nyttend (talk) 07:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As I wrote, I am aware that is how the term is colloquially used. But the conflation of business schools and sports league has no significance. Are you saying you would support creating a Pac-10 medical schools category and template? How about an NCAA Division 1 law schools category? Jadunne (talk) 07:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, I believe Nyttend supports just that, Jadunne. See Template:Big Ten Law Schools. Banaticus (talk) 07:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep This classification makes no less sense than, say, "Law schools of the mid-Atlantic states". What difference does it make to the law school whether it's in one US Census Bureau-designated region of the United States or another? Does it affect the academic quality of the institution? Does it affect the philosophy of the institution? Well, no, but it's a convenient way to lump a set of schools together. Athletic conferences serve a similar function, and are similarly geography-based. &mdash;Bill Price (nyb) 07:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Great point. This is a reasonable analogy for what the question comes down to. Classification by geography is the standard, so you can do city, state, or country, or in this case, a grouping of states. But picking a non-geographical grouping is not useful unless it has some significance to the articles in the group. You would not want an article on Nursing Schools in Red States, unless being a nursing school in a red state had some significance, right? Jadunne (talk) 08:07, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment The rationale that a "sports league" is a poor way of categorizing law schools is a very uninformed one. Colleges and universities are typically in sports leagues with institutions that share many similarities with them, making them natural groupings for many other purposes.  However, whether this should should be a list or a category is a different issue altogether and I have no strong opinion. ElKevbo (talk) 07:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: "Ivy League" is not just occasionally colloquially used to refer to the schools as a whole, that's the current common usage of the term. If we start going through the Oxford English Dictionary for original meanings, "worm" articles could only refer to dragons (the original meaning) and so on. A little different since this is a formal noun, but not much.RevelationDirect (talk) 08:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Regardless of whether it makes sense to refer to an "Ivy League" school when it comes to a prestigious degree or educational attainment, the fact is that prospective students, employers and business people find significance in an "Ivy League business school", and it's a reference to Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Brown, Dartmouth, etc. . I think the nominator is correct about there not being the same feeling about a "Big Ten business school", but the Ivy League as just an athletic conference?  Mandsford 13:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 15:55, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:55, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment The discussion at the virtually identical case Articles for deletion/Big Ten business schools is proceeding very differently from this one and attracting different participants. (I'm the only person to weigh in on both cases so far, not counting the nominator.) If it's okay to use "Ivy League", it should be okay to use "Big Ten"; if it's not okay to use "Big Ten", it shouldn't be okay to use "Ivy League". &mdash;Bill Price (nyb) 00:59, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointer; I provided feedback there as well. I respectfully disagree that these articles are equivalent though. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:11, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not a matter of whether you think it's "okay", but rather whether the term is used by other people. Let's leave the Big Ten out of this.  There's no comparison between  and .   Not surprising.  I got a "Big Ten education", and it's not even a term that one would use, let alone hold in the same esteem as an "Ivy League education".   Mandsford 03:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


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