Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jain Empires and Dynasties


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The result was keep (and clean up).  Sandstein  12:12, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

List of Jain Empires and Dynasties

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Complete mixture of mythology with history. Like, for the 20th tirthankara, this page lists that Rama, Dashratha and other prominent figures of Hinduism as followers of Jainism. That is without any source. This is perfect example of WP:Misleading text.

Also, it is disputed that fathers of the Tirthankaras followed the Jainism as this article states without any mention. This list is ambiguous and misleading. This is violation of WP:DEL.

Hence, this debate.  Harshil want to talk? 06:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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The reasons you have mentioned have been resolved.. see that page's history for details Rishabh.rsd (talk) 08:16, 10 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep I don't see why Category:Jain monarchs and this list cant co-exist. This in fact adds dynasties also in the list. All other problems which nominator mentioned are content issues and don't need deletion. The topic in itself is notable to keep. §§<i style="color:#E0115F">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * This is case of WP:Overcategorization and as you already mentioned, category exists then this list becomes reluctant. -- <i style="color:orange; font-family:Brush Script MT">Harshil </i>want to talk? 06:37, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Without commenting on the merits of the subject at hand, Overcategorization refers to having too many categories, not having lists as well as categories. The applicable guideline is WP:NOTDUP which clearly states that the existence of a category is not in itself sufficient reason for deletion of a list. Regards So  Why  07:53, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

, And the content with which problems were there have been removed Rishabh.rsd (talk) 05:50, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Article is still not resolved. I just cited one example to show how it is misleading. Here is an another example. Siddhartha of Kundagrama has been shown as Jain monarch while it is ambiguous that he followed Jainism; however, his son was tirthankara in Jain Tradition. Another goes for Ajayapala (Chaulukya dynasty), wikipedia page mentions his religion as Brahminism and it is also written that he didn't patronage Jainism then why he has place here in the list?
 * There are some other mistakes too. Like, obfuscating history with mythology. Mythological King Sagara also find place in same category as of other historical personality. That's why whole article is misleading and also it is WP:Overcategorization because Category:Jain monarchs already exists. -- <i style="color:orange; font-family:Brush Script MT">Harshil </i>want to talk? 06:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, this is content issue, not notability issue. §§<i style="color:#E0115F">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:35, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, I didn't contest deletion under notability issue. The issue under which I nominated deletion must be read. It is under WP:DEL. I nominated this article for deletion because it is misleading from the basic structure and category already exists. Epical dynasties like Ikshvaku (in which Rama born), Harivamsha simply can't be label under same list as of historical dynasty like Chalukya. -- <i style="color:orange; font-family:Brush Script MT">Harshil </i>want to talk? 15:41, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Siddharth of Kundagrama was follower of Jainism as he followed the teachings of 23 Tirthankara and Ajaypala was added by me by seeing his name in category of Jain Monarchs and I am removing him now and I am removing Sagara also
 * cite your sources.-- <i style="color:orange; font-family:Brush Script MT">Harshil </i>want to talk? 15:41, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: I understand your concern that the list is being a mix of actual historically proven people with that of mythological people. I have added a separate section in the article to include such names. Please move the entries from top into it. §§<i style="color:#E0115F">Dharmadhyaksha</i>§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep -- There have been Jain kings and no doubt dynasties in India. If so, there is no reason for not having a list such as this. Issues about what its content should be can be resolved by editing.  It will probably be better if history and myth are placed in separate sections of the article, but one never quite knows how much history may be incorporated in what is referred to as myth, because we cannot date it or the story includes the direct intervention of gods in human affairs.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:39, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - deletion is not clean-up. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:51, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, per Andy. IMO, the topic is inherently notable. Mini  apolis  19:28, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree the topic is notable, and AFD is not cleanup.  D r e a m Focus  23:36, 17 September 2019 (UTC)


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