Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Japan national football team hat-tricks (2nd nomination)


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The result was Snow Keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 23:55, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

List of Japan national football team hat-tricks
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This deletion listing includes all national football team hat trick lists that I could find. Note that this is a relisting after the first AfD was closed for bundling too many articles together.

A hat-trick is a semi-common occurrence in football which while notable in the context of regular news reporting, is not an outstanding achievement in and of itself. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information - lists need to have some justification to their existence beyond the collection of statistics. Notable hat-tricks will be described in player, team or where relevant match articles. For national teams, results are already listed (eg Japan national football team results and fixtures; Romania national football team results etc) which will of course list hat-tricks. We also list top goalscorers, notable matches, finals etc. Hat-trick lists simply repackage goals that are listed elsewhere on Wikipedia, in a way which most alamancs, encylopedias and football websites don't bother doing. I think that's key for judging the worth of a list - by and large, these lists do not exist outside of Wikipedia: they have been collated together from football results databases. This is evidence, I think, of the indiscriminate and unnecessary nature of these pages, which also makes them border on being original research. There are 200+ national football teams - a list of hat-tricks in each of these is simply unnecessary. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages:

Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Please also note the following related discussions:
 * Articles for deletion/List of FIFA Confederations Cup hat-tricks
 * Articles for deletion/List of Algerian Ligue Professionnelle 1 hat-tricks
 * Articles for deletion/List of UEFA Champions League hat-tricks
 * Articles for deletion/List of Cristiano Ronaldo hat-tricks
 * Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:54, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep all. A hat-trick for a national team is a notable event. For example, hat-tricks scored by Scotland players is discussed by many sources (search). Loads of articles in reliable sources discussing the fact that Colin Stein was (for a very long time) the last player to score a hat-trick (eg1 Sky Sports, eg2 The Scotsman). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:11, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note, there is a discussion about this issue at WP:FOOTY. The nominating user has relisted all of these articles without first obtaining any consensus that these articles should be deleted. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 09:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I rather thought that obtaining a consensus was the point of a deletion discussion! --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 10:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * As WP:BEFORE notes, subject-specific guidelines should be checked. I don't think we have previously had a discussion here about the notability of hat-trick lists, therefore a discussion was needed at WP:FOOTY first before placing all of the articles on AfD. You ignored comments from two users (Fenix Down and GiantSnowman) in the WP:FOOTY discussion that we should have a full discussion about the issue first. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep all - the irregular occurrance of hat tricks at international level as seen in these lists completely negates the initial rationale presented above. Fenix down (talk) 09:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep all Per Jmorrison230582 and Fenix down. Miyagawa (talk) 17:06, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep all, per all the above and the List of Scotland national football team hat-tricks is a featured list ffs.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:57, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - there seems to be consensus here that lists of hat-tricks for senior international teams are notable. GiantSnowman 16:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep all per Jmorrison230582 and Fenix down.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep This seems like a ridiculous nomination. Hat-tricks are usually notable events, especially in professional leagues. Often when one occurs, reference is made to previous records (i.e. last hat-trick by that player / team / against that opposition, etc.). That in itself suggests maintaining an article with the hat-trick records in a league has encyclopedic value. --   R45    talk! 15:57, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


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