Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Japanese Nintendo 64 games


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was merge the appropriate content to List of Nintendo 64 games. Sandstein 07:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Japanese Nintendo 64 games
Despite Floppydog66's reasons given on the article's talk page, I fail to see how a seperate list from List of Nintendo 64 games is useful even to otaku such as myself. Such specialized interest is served better at the Japanese Wiki.SeizureDog 06:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete We already have a list of N64 games. I do not see the point to have only a list of Japanese games. Carlosguitar 08:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC) 
 * Merge and redirect the Japaneses title, seems to be a better option. Carlosguitar 11:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of Nintendo 64 games. A subsection listing games only released in Japan would work much better than a separate list. Luigi30 (Ta&lambda;k) 14:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Games only released in Japan are already listed in the main list.--SeizureDog 14:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Find Wild Choppers on it. :) It's not a complete list. Give that game to someone and have them look for it on the List Of. ;) (Floppydog66 15:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Chopper Attack is on the list though. It is a complete list of games, not titles. Alternate Japanese titles are not included as they would clutter up the list and aren't useful to the average English user.--SeizureDog 16:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wild Choppers is a game for the Nintendo 64 look it up online, despite it being re-released under another name for another type of Nintendo it has that name and you just wish to ignore that fact, and the fact that other publishers, published these games besides the U.S. versions. The first publisher should be listed then, and that would be the Japanese version and it doesn't have a reference to where or how the titles where translated. The Category N64 Game has a more complete listing of the games. As I mentioned when I first tried to add them to the List of Nintendo, those names need to be listed also or its not listing all the games and all those people who ask for a merge are asking for the same thing I did when I first brought them to the List of Nintendo 64 games page, you've proven your dislike of those titles and try re-wording it any way you can, but its still incomplete. You describe yourself as a otaku and yet don't seem to even bother learning the different names of Japanese things.

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 * I am wondering if the best tactic is to merge at first and wait until the list grows to be too long. Then it may be split again. WhisperToMe 16:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge and create seperate section on List of Nintendo 64 games. -- Alex Ov  Shaolin  16:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Seperate section for what? Japanese titles? Japanese exclusive releases? --SeizureDog 16:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete If there is consensus on the List of Nintendo 64 games to exclude the Japanese (and presumably other language) titles, having a separate list is simply a way to avoid having to comply with consensus. People looking for a particular Japanese title can type it in the search box and be sent directly to the particular game's article page through a redirect.  This list seems like unnecessary duplication. -- SiobhanHansa 17:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- SteinbDJ · talk · contributions 17:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect - I'm in favor of a selective merge. I believe the information on both lists have merit, though because of the large amount of overlapping information, two lists are not really necessary. I also think the final list can be altered to be more comprehensive and accurately display content from both lists. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Merge, as mostly the only information not present on the List of Nintendo 64 games is the Japanese name. J I P  | Talk 18:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect Unnecessary duplication. Mukadderat 18:20, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What is the difference between List of Nintendo Entertainment System games and List of Famicom games ? I think this is the same here. List of Japanese Nintendo 64 games can evolve in the same way. "List of Nintendo 64 games" can include all american and european releases and "List of Japanese Nintendo 64 games" all japanese releases. PV250X 19:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I think the argument to keep those two separate is about as weak as keeping these two separate. Also, per WP:WAX, "just pointing out that an article on a similar subject exists does not prove that the article in question should also exist; it is quite possible that the other article should also be deleted but nobody has noticed it and put it forward for AfD yet." (Guyinblack25 talk 19:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Delete delete per nom. no context--NightRider63 19:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. Alternate titles should be presented in the list in the case of games that were released under different titles in different regions. -Sean Curtin 23:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: If it could be improved to include the kanji titles, released dates, and one or two other useful "at-a-glance" bits information, then I would suggest keeping the article. If not, it should be merged and redirected. I must have been looking at the wrong article, because it already includes that information. Very Strong Keep or Merge as the list allows for easily finding a game in both English and Japanese, as well as release date and publisher information, making the page much more useful than just a simple list of games. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * But couldn't most of that information be integrated into one comprehensive list? (Guyinblack25 talk 03:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Yes, thought we'd have to make another column to hold the English title (since it may be different than the romanized title. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's kind of what I had in mind. The first column, the most common name or something like that, and the second column, any alternative names. (Guyinblack25 talk 04:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC))
 * I think the first column should probably be the official title (if any), the second the romanized title (if it was released in Japan) and the third would be the kanji/kana title (if any). That would about cover it, I believe. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge - an easy-to-reference list of games that were never released stateside seems encyclopedic to me, but I have no objections to including them as a subsection in the overall list of N64 games just the same. As long as the information is preserved, it's fine with me. MalikCarr 22:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Listcruft. --Legis (talk - contribs) 00:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The nom's reason for deletion is rather off-target-- what about English-speaking users who want to know about Japanese games? Going to a Japanese wiki, which is not going to be in English, is rather pointless for those users. I will further note that "delete per nom" and "delete, listcruft" entries might as well not be here, as they are essentially just votes, and AfD is not a vote. Jtrainor 23:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You might want to look at Per. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 01:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Couldn't you also find those Japanese games on a one list that shows the North American, European, and Japanese titles, rather than two separate lists with a lot of duplicate content? (Guyinblack25 talk 03:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Keep or Merge. If we are able to integrate the article into the List of Nintendo 64 games without the article size going over 100kb, per Article size, merge. If not, keep. Taric25 15:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The "guidelines apply somewhat less to lists or disambiguation pages." Also, because of the ammount of overlapping material, it should probably be ok. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Merge into List of Nintendo 64 games. Assuming that there are no technological reasons for keeping the lists separate (that is: a Japanese N64 game is effectively technologically identical to an American one), they should be merged into one list, with a separate column for Japanese name. Since many games appear on both lists, I'm guessing that's probably the case. Terraxos 14:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * An additional column would only serve to clutter the list. This is hightened by the fact that this would likely lead to not one, but two additional columns: one for romaji and one for kanji/kana (possibly even three columns if someone wants to push for translated titles). Furthermore, nearly a forth of the entries on the list weren't released in Japan, so a good portion would just be blank.--SeizureDog 15:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that too many columns will clutter the tables. Additional columns for the Japanese kana, romaji, and translation are not necessary and is kind of biased towards Japanese titles. Besides, that information can be found by clicking on the wikilink for the article itself. However I think adding a single column for alternate titles (European/Japanese/North American, which ever was released later) won't clutter things up too much and it will help make the current N64 list more comprehensive/organized. If it gets too cluttered, then some info can be condensed. For instance, the "Publisher" and "Regions released" columns could be condensed into one column with the use of " JP ", " NA ", and other regions attached to the publisher's name(s) depending on region. The WP:CVG has been leaning away from the use of flags for region releases anyway, so this would fit in with their guidelines. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC))
 * The publisher/region released merge idea seems somewhat reasonable, except it makes the list less browse-friendly. I like the current set up as it makes browsing for games released only in specific regions quick and easy. Having abbreviations may make it more of a chore, as one would have to scan each individual entry to see the regions. --SeizureDog 16:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * True, however merging them is not a necessity. I think adding a single column for alternate titles won't clutter things too much. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC))


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