Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish American actors in television


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 22:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Jewish American actors in television

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Was PRODed and removed for irrelevant reason. This is a three-way intersection of trivial and unsubstantiated (for two years) factoids. There are, and never were, any predecessors to lists like this List of Christian actors in television, list of Irish American actors in television, etc... To say "then source it" is not an argument for keeping. Time has proven that this list is either unsourcable or of no interest to anyone to source - either way, it's not a list that would be on wikipedia. JJPennyson (talk) 20:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC) — JJPennyson (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment I'm not sure if this is keepable or not, but a.) the nominator is an apparent SPA, b.) their argument is basically "other stuff does not exist", which doesn't hold up very well, and c.) this seems sourceable enough to me. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Apart from any other considerations, the list appears to be organised by programme (should I say program as this is an American list?) rather than being a list of actors. Peridon (talk) 20:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:35, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment As much as I fail to see the purpose of this list as opposed to the purpose of Category:Jewish actors, I see the main problem with the organization of Lists of people and its sublists, which remind me very much of the ill-fated List of people by name, see Miscellany for deletion/List of people by name from 1.5 years ago. Although I'd recommend deletion per nom, it's unwise to single out this list here as the only "culprit". – sgeureka t•c 22:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete this, and also List of Italian American actors and list of Irish American actors as listcruft. Also delete everything in Category:American actors by ethnic or national origin as categorycruft. Scaldi (talk) 22:04, 26 December 2008 (UTC) — Scaldi (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Anyone think this is a sock? Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It is. Scaldi was blocked for sockpuppetry. - Mgm|(talk) 17:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Probably a bad faith nomination.  Linguist At Large  22:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep as a bad-faith nomination. I think the list can be reliably sourced in one way, shape, or form. I also smell something from a sock drawer, as new users normally do not come on here knowing how to nominate and participate in AFDs. MuZemike  ( talk ) 22:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Accusing people of sockpuppetry does not distract from the basic problems here. The article is thoroughly lacking in references, which is a major turnoff.  It is sloppily researched and missing major names (no mention of Milton Berle, Bud Abbott, Buddy Hackett, Jack Benny, George Burns, Jerry Lewis, Sammy Davis Jr. and other prominent TV stars of the 1950s and 1960s). To have a seriously encyclopedic overhaul would require intensive research with confirmation that the people on the list are active members of the Jewish faith.  This article, however, doesn't make the grade. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. In an age where people still remark, "I didn't know he was Jewish!", the list serves as a good counterpart to the (yawn) category.  It reminds me of Adam Sandler's line, "You can spin the dreidel with Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock, both Jewish!" Mandsford (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * But Eco is right that this needs a source (voice of Jerry Stiller: "It would kill you to tell how you know this?"). Mandsford (talk) 00:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep- As the remover of the prod, I hardly think my reasoning was "irrelevant". As I stated, the problem with the article is that it was unsourced, not that it is unsourceable. Any problems with an article that CAN be sourced, and ISN'T, is not a problem for AFD. Now, whether or not you think the list is worthy of keeping, that's another discussion. I personally, think its worth keeping, since I feel it meets the criteria set forth by the appropriate policy. I won't shed a tear if the final vote is delete however. That said, I also deleted the prod because, last i checked, prod's were for deletions that the prodder thinks won't be disputed. As shown by the fact that there are other keep votes, its obvious that I was right in thinking that. Umbralcorax (talk) 01:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - I mean, seriously. However, please people, WP:AGF????? Thanks!--Cerejota (talk) 13:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep A notable intersection, per common sense and a knowledge of the role of jewish American actors in television, and the abundant available sourcing. The reason for the "in television" intersection is the extensive nature of the material. If there's enough for Irish ... and Italian... I'd do just the same for them. DGG (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per MuZemike and then burn the sock drawer. JBsupreme (talk) 02:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.