Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish American generals and admirals


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The result was delete. Per the strong rationale presented by Squeamish Ossifrage. Randykitty (talk) 20:18, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

List of Jewish American generals and admirals

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Wikipedia is not a directory, and this article doesn't meant the requirements of WP:LISTN - namely, there are no notable sources discussing the group as a set. NoCOBOL (talk) 06:45, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete this list cruft. Trillfendi (talk) 07:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:NOTDIR actually uses "people from ethnic / cultural / religious group X employed by organization Y" as the canonical example of a non-encyclopedic cross-categorization, which is exactly what we have here. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 14:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am inclined to think that LISTN is a relevant guideline here, to judge whether this particular grouping is notable. This list would seem to be an arbitrary subset of Category:American Jews in the military (which itself may or may not pass WP:OCAT, I don't know), but that would also suggest that a list that doesn't just focus on certain officer ranks would avoid that issue. postdlf (talk) 15:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per Squeamish Ossifrage's point about this non-encyclopedic cross-categorization. --Lockley (talk) 17:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. The topic was the subject of an exhibition at Florida Atlantic University—documented a few different places, e.g. here. This article available from the Times of Israel concerns representation of Jews in the military, including among flag officers, and how that has interacted with anti-Semitism in the American military. This article from Encyclopedia Judaica also places great emphasis on Jewish flag officers toward understanding the place of Jews in the American military. (It also notes how the treatment of Jewish flag officers is indicative of the broader place of Jews within the military—see Fascist Italy's firing of its Jewish flag officers in 1938.) So this topic has received sufficient coverage to be notable, in my view. If my view does not prevail, I would be grateful if the closer would userfy the article into my userspace. I've been mining its redlinks for notable topics in recent weeks, and continued access to its contents and history would be helpful. Lagrange613 19:33, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete one exhibit at a university does not justify an article. Also when people are following issues in Italy to justify having an article on Americans we clearly are not defining the scope well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:24, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep In terms of whether the topic is notable, I certainly find sources for "Jewish generals", eg 'Lincoln's Jewish generals', Jewish World Review Feb. 16, 2001 ; 'Out Of Control', The New York Jewish Week, November 29, 2011 ; 'The Jews in the World War' (not just about generals, but gives the number of Jewish generals in each army, their names, positions, etc) The Jewish Veteran, Volumes 7-9, November 1938 ; 140 Jewish Marshals, Generals & Admirals by Eli Rubin, 1952 ; and it's a subject heading in the Library of Congress, (although it doesn't seem to be used to catalogue books very accurately - The General : William Levine, citizen soldier and liberator comes up doing a search of everything for Jewish generals, but is not actually categorised under "Jewish generals" although clearly described as both Jewish and a general ). "Jewish admirals" brings up fewer results, but given that it's the equivalent rank in the navy to the army and air force general, it can't really be left out. RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:54, 17 January 2019 (UTC)


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