Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish American scientists (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep - due to conditions presented - see Articles for deletion/List of Jewish Americans (2nd nomination) StabRule 07:41, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

List of Jewish American scientists
List of Jewish American artists, List of Jewish American musicians, List of Jewish American sport figures, List of Jewish American academics, List of Jewish American show business figures, List of Jewish American writers, List of Jewish American business figures --- these are all compiled into the main article List of Jewish Americans -- having them as separate lists is utterly farfetched StabRule 08:15, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Solution: Mass delete all these lists, as they are virtual "copy and pastes" from the main article. StabRule 08:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


 * User:Vulturell suggested that perhaps it may be better to delete the big List of Jewish Americans than these smaller lists - which is fine - if a vote is put on the large list I will get ride of the afds on these. StabRule 10:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete the lot. Not useful breakdown. Abstain Still don't think these are useful but the circumstances of the nomination and particularly the canvassing for votes give me pause.  Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  12:39, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep this is a clear bad WP:FAITH nomination, this user is almost certainly a sock puppet and their sole edits Special:Contributions/StabRule and that of one of their ips Special:Contributions/72.144.161.73 have been devoted solely to placing afds on Jewish lists and spamming users, who they seem to choose on the basis of their acquaintance through another account. Arniep 15:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Abstain. Although normally I'd grit my teeth and vote to delete this particular list against as a matter of consistency, Arniep's charge of a bad faith nomination holds weight.  The nominator appears to be a sock puppet whose sole purpose is to rid Wikipedia of Jewish lists.  The expansiveness of the rationale for nomination gives me pause.  Surely there are enough show business figures (Woody Allen) and writers (Philip Roth) whose Jewish heritage influences their work in noteworthy ways.  Sandy Koufax missed the opening game of the World Series because it fell on Yom Kippur. Durova 16:06, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


 * First of all, the WP:FAITH nominations are just set up as a distraction by User:Arniep who himself went on a rampage recently and nominated literally dozens of lists for deletion on the basis of a WP:POINT. I have been on wikipedia under an anonymous IP and finally decided to make a username because people were bitching about anonymous IPs on page deletions. For that reason, I am concentrating on deleting the lists that are the most numerous - among them happens to be a lot of jewish lists. A blatant call for anti-semitism on User:Arniep's part I expected, and he seems to be very immature. I already discussed with User:Vulturell that either these smaller lists need to go or the bigger list because they are virtual copies of eachother. There is no WP:POINT nomination here - this could even be considered speedy delete material. StabRule 21:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I did make a WP:POINT which I fully admitted, as a counter to mass deletion of Jewish lists by yourself under numerous sock puppet accounts. You seem to be remarkably au fait with wikipedia procedures for someone who has done just a few anon ip edits. Also, would you mind not deleting critical comments from your talk page (which were not from me by the way) as it is considered bad WP:FAITH. I never accused you of anti-semitism so please withdraw that insulting remark. Arniep 21:59, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the main problem here is this user leaping to nominate these lists without any prior discussion. It would have been the mature and polite thing to place discussions on the talk pages of these articles first. If the user had done that I might well have agreed.Arniep 22:49, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * comment The ip Special:Contributions/72.144.161.73 nominated Articles_for_deletion/Log/2005_November_18 and then another ip from BellSouth.net Inc.Atlanta placed a probable sock puppet vote on the same nomination (Special:Contributions/72.144.71.234) which was noticed by User:JJay in his comment Strong Keep. Changing my vote. Don't like anon noms here + 2nd anom vote, both out of Atlanta.-- JJay 05:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC). The ip which StabRule acknowledges on his user page Special:Contributions/65.9.143.76 is also a BellSouth.net Inc.Atlanta address. Arniep 00:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong keep - the overall list is unwieldy; we should do what was done with the List of Jews and make it into a catalogue of lists. - Taxwoman 23:07, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. I don't know what the answer is for all these lists. I don't even like lists. I do know that I'm fed up with the daily noms or renoms for Jewish, Catholic, Christian, name your religion lists. It is strange that people feel the need to join wikipedia for the sole purpose of seeing something deleted. It is reprehensible that they do this for sensitive content involving religion. The Afd process itself is being perverted. I am therefore going on the record that from now on I will exclusively vote Strong Keep for any positive list that has any religion in its title. I don't care if someone does a List of Amish Proctologists- if I see it on AfD it's a keeper. And yes I meant positive. If I think the list carries the slightest negative connotation for any religion I will vote Strong Delete. List of Quaker War Criminals- No thank you. Just so everyone knows where I stand. -- JJay 01:39, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep &mdash; wikipedia is not paper: I see no problem with subdividing sufficiently long lists. Plus that "mass delete" comment is pure evil. &mdash; RJH 01:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.