Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish sports commissioners, managers and coaches, officials, owners, promoters, and sportscasters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep as a fork of the List of Jews in sports, which would otherwise be excessively long. Renaming is left to editorial discretion and/or the requested moves process as needed. RL0919 (talk) 05:48, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

List of Jewish sports commissioners, managers and coaches, officials, owners, promoters, and sportscasters

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WP:IINFO and WP:NOTDIR #6. As the name should indicate, this is a weird mixture of Jews (and often non-Jews) who have some sort of relationship with sports. I'm always hoping these indiscriminate lists of things will be deleted. Jayjg (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: Unless I'm reading the history wrong, the nominator of this AfD is also the creator of the article. Can I ask what your original intention/purpose was in creating this page?Gilded Snail (talk) 16:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The reason is at Talk:List of Jews in sports/Archive 1. The source list became so huge it took forever to load and/or edit, so I volunteered to split off parts of it that weren't really part of the main topic. Jayjg (talk) 18:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIR #6. This is a completely non notable cross-categorisation. We seldom categorise by religious beliefs. Ajf773 (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , You don't have to be religious to be Jewish Shrike (talk) 20:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That's true, but WP:NOTDIR #6 still applies. Jayjg (talk) 20:57, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of Jews in sports if possible, otherwise Keep as a valid fork. The topic of Jews in sports has been covered in numerous reliable sources and the information should be somewhere. Ideally we'd only have one list article article, but if it's too big, this fork is potentially valid. Smartyllama (talk) 12:59, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:45, 20 June 2019 (UTC) *Delete per WP:NOTDIR #6.--Goldsztajn (talk) 22:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per Smartyllama. Would be more suitable if the merged list was reliably sourced. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 12:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Switch to keep and rename due to new evidence. Still insisting on the "reliably sourced" part. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 17:41, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename - I agree with Smartyllama's reasoning and do not agree with the categorization of this list as a directory. Merge would be ideal, but since the target list is too large this should be kept.  But the name is unwieldy and should be changed to something like "List of Jews in sports (non-players)." Rlendog (talk) 21:02, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. I agree with Rlendog and Smartyllama. This is a valid spinout from a long list. As Smartyllama states above, and as prior discussions (notably Articles for deletion/List of Jews in sports (3rd nomination) have substantiated, the subject is widely covered in reliable sources, and the substance of that coverage clearly extends to non-playing participants.  A few examples of scholarly and popular coverage include:
 * Jews and the Sporting Life: Studies in Contemporary Jewry XXIII (Oxford U.P.), notably the chapter (beginning on p.87) entitled "From Participant to Owner: The Role of Jews in Contemporary American Sports";
 * "Why Are So Many Pro Basketball Owners Jewish (like Donald Sterling)?" (The Forward);
 * "Who’s the Greatest Jewish Athlete? An interview with Franklin Foer about Jewish jocks, and how they changed sports history" (Slate)("Our interest was in documenting the history of sports. The locker room, press box, and sideline are often the most interesting (and influential) places in the arena. Why would we exclude them?")
 * As Rlendog says, the current title of this sublist is unnecessarily byzantine and could be cut to something more natural like "List of Jews in sports (non-players)" or perhaps "List of Jews in sports (sportscasters and executives)".--Arxiloxos (talk) 21:43, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rename can see validity in points from Arxiloxos et al., would recommend "List of Jews in sports (sportscasters and executives)".--Goldsztajn (talk) 16:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


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