Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign staff members


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

List of Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign staff members

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We have never had such a separate list for other national campaigns. This is WP:NOT an encyclopedic topic. Many/most of the persons listed are not actual staffers, who number in the thousands and are rarely notable. Others such as "Vice-presidential candidate vetting team" or "Debate Preparation" are transient and should be better documented in the main article. Entire sections are WP:SPECULATION about future positions in a future transition or future administration. William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:38, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:00, 14 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Never have articles for campaign staff. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ^^ WP:OTHERSTUFF. KidAd   talk  21:30, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 19:42, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:54, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * We have never had.... Barack Obama and John McCain disagee. Still, it does seem like material that should just be covered in the main campaign article(s). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 20:23, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've stricken that argument, updating the OP. I'd missed those articles, as they are the only such campaign lists in their category. This one does not appear in that category, and this does not appear to be anything like those lists. It would need to be completely re-written to match (or matter).

William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:54, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:LISTN. An aggregation of this information is useful, and I don't think it would fit in the Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign page. KidAd   talk  21:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines;" Please point to the respected and reliable sources that makes this a notable list. The main source "Biden campaign grows more diverse with people of color making up nearly half of staff" literally has no mentions of any particular names. This would be fodder for the campaign article, but does not itself make a notable list.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:54, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, I agree with KidAd, the sourcing currently in the article shows a LISTN pass. "We have never had an article like this" is just WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST. Devonian Wombat (talk) 21:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * We have never had an article like this is also flat wrong per Rhododendrites. KidAd   talk  21:12, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, my mistake. I should have been more thorough. We've never had something like this, but we have had a very few other related lists. Again, rather than simply citing LISTN (a guideline) or OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST (an essay), please show that this specific list meets the requirements for an encyclopedic article. In particular, some entries are cobbled together from multiple individual sources. Most have no source at all. That's a violation of WP:NOR and WP:SPECULATION, policies that trump a mere argumentation essay or guideline.


 * NOTE: Since OP, some sections have been removed:
 * (→‎Potential Administration Appointees: how the f is a potential appointee a campaign staff member?????)
 * (→‎Public Endorsements and Events: lol what makes you think someone who makes and endorsement is a staff member???)
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep But only add those names who have their own wiki article. Tessaracter (talk) 02:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep, per KidAd. Idan (talk) 09:39, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


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