Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Knight's Cross recipients 9th SS Panzer Division Hohenstaufen


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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 14:59, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

List of Knight's Cross recipients 9th SS Panzer Division Hohenstaufen

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An unnecessary cross-categorisation created when the awarding of the Knight's Cross was accepted on Wiki as a presumption of notability. Since then, the community consensus has evolved and the awarding of the Knight's Cross no longer carries such a presumption; please see the close at Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners. Lists of similar scope have been recently deleted at AfD, such as:


 * AfD: List of highly-decorated German pilots of ground attack aircraft
 * AfD: List of Knight's Cross recipients 6th SS Division Nord (multi-AfD)
 * AfD: List of Knight's Cross recipients 17th SS Division
 * AfD: List of Knight's Cross recipients of the 22nd SS Division

In addition, I'm nominating similar articles created in the same timeframe. The rationale above is equally applicable to these lists:

K.e.coffman (talk) 01:37, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
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 * To be clear, the reason for deletion is that this is an unnecessary duplication of material on List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients, for those not willing to work through several lengthy discussions? --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I nominated the lists because I consider them to be an unneeded cross categorisation; compare with Category:Lists of Medal of Honor recipients -- it include lists by conflict & by ethnicity, for example, but there are no List of Medal of Honor Recipients of X Division during World War II & similar list articles. Breaking down the recipients by such minute categories seems excessive. In addition, the Knight's Cross no longer serves to establish presumed notability under WP:SOLDIER by the Wiki community (unlike in 2008), so these lists are on non-notable subjects themselves. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:34, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all. We just don't have lists of honors by unit. List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (A), etc. are more than sufficient. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:44, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete These lists all fail basic notability requirements like WP:LISTN. Exemplo347 (talk) 10:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all, it's common sense as per other AfD outcomes for likewise articles. Ajf773 (talk) 06:57, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Opposed delete of foreign unit awards lists, such award alone has been cited in deportation proceedings as evidence of war crimes, for example, by members of the 15th and 19th Waffen-SS, Latvian 1st and 2nd. I would support consolidation of the two lists I just cited into one indicating division. The single master list is impossible to muddle through. If that list were upgraded to be useful, we can revisit. It's not about notability, that the master list exists demonstrates agreement on notability. The issue is usability. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 17:54, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I don't see the above as a valid reason for keeping the list on the Latvian recipients. I've searched for [Latvian recipients of the Knight's Cross] & I'm not seeing sources that discuss the topic, mostly non RS militaria literature: link, veering to revisionism such as Siegrunen by Richard Landwehr, a publication that is popular with the neo-Nazi crowd. Likewise, [Latvian recipients of Nazi awards] brings up sources that mention the detail in passing, such as MI6: Inside the Covert World of Her Majesty's Secret Intelligence Service. There's plenty of discussion of [Latvian Waffen-SS members] or similar, but not the award recipients as a group, thus failing WP:LISTN. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:40, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete all the alphabetical listings are more than enough. I don't see any reason to have additional lists splitting them up like this. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:56, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


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