Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo chapters (1–190)


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 00:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo chapters (1–190)

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Also the following:
 * List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo chapters (191–390)
 * List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo chapters (391–590)
 * List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo chapters (591–790)
 * List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo chapters (791–983)
 * List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo chapters (984–1163)
 * List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo chapters (1164–1343)
 * List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo chapters (1343–1522)
 * List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo chapters (1523–current)

These lists are basically lists of every single issue of this manga and the titles of the chapters/stories/sections within them, they are unsourced except for links to the publishers website to actually buy these, they offer no real world context or content of any sort, and there has been no indication in the last 3 years (2 of which were spent as redirects) that this is going to change. Jac 16888 Talk 22:06, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.  Good  raise  23:33, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete all I agree with the nominator these lists don't serve much purpose especialy for those who don't know Japanese  Jay Jay What did I do? 23:40, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:NOTDIR also redundant to List of Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen-mae Hashutsujo manga volumes. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Manga chapters aren't arbitrarily grouped pages in graphic novels of Japanese origin. They are more akin to television episodes. They are published separately in specialized magazines and in case of success released in collected form (tankōbon), just like television episodes may be released on DVD. A manga's chapter titles are equivalent to an anime's episode titles. Readers will expect to find both in the main article of a short series. For longer series, we routinely create spin-out articles called "List of XXX episodes" and "List of XXX chapters" (here a couple hundred examples). For insanely long series (Kochikame (this series) happens to be the longest), we split episode lists into season lists with a "list of seasons" as their parent article. The chapter equivalents to "lists of seasons" we create are "lists of manga volumes". Now, I'd say that ten featured list (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 (bolded ones from the same series)) establish quite clearly that the end product of this type of page is desirable Wikipedia content. Content which won't be created via incremental improvement to a page which is already too long to hold chapter titles, transliterations of chapter titles, translations of chapter titles and plot summaries, which has a scope limiting it to the manga volumes and provides no point of entry for inexperienced editors incapable of figuring out how to use that complicated template. Of course we could take the general lack of activity on Kochikame related pages as evidence of the series' low notability and assume that these pages will never amount to anything. On the other hand, it could have something to do with the fact that this series, which happens to be immensely popular in Japan and in continuous production since 1976, has not been released in English. Systemic bias anyone?  Good raise  01:49, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Goodraise I can see why you want to keep these articles as they very well might be useful to use in the future for other purposes, but looking at "What links here" the only things that lead to these pages are wikipedia's mainspace and userpages, seeing that these lists are not in the mainspace they do count as lists. I would support a Userfy here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:16, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS PEANUTBUTTER &#9734;&#9733; 18:21, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I take it, you acknowledge that chapter lists once finished are useful. So the problem you have with these lists is not what's in them, but what's still missing. Right? If so, I don't see how you can still consider them to be in violation of NOTDIR or redundant to the list of volumes. I also don't see the relevance of incoming links. List articles split primarily because of excessive size (as was the case here) rarely get a lot of directly incoming links. Readers (aka. potential editors) navigate to them by following "Main article:" links down the hierarchy from the corresponding series article (which in this case has a plentiful amount of incoming links). As for userfication, that's a total non sequitur. If you think, as it would seem, that chapter titles are desirable Wikipedia content, then the alternative to keeping the articles would be merging them back into the list of volumes (turning it into a list of chapters again).  Good raise  02:22, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:GNG - there are no independent sources. Bearian (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
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