Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Konami code references in popular culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. Article completes lacks WP:RS; hence, there is nothing able to merged to any other article, consistent with the core policy WP:V. The keep arguments are very odd -- they argue for the notability of the code which is not really in question, as the code has its own article. This separate article here, as it is written now, cannot be allowed to remain, given the requirements of WP:V. If this content belongs with Konami code, it must be sourced first. Xoloz 14:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Konami code references in popular culture

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Delete - fails WP:NOT, fails WP:TRIVIA. Otto4711 15:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment this is a little different. The code is a Cheat code present in Konami video games. There is already an article for the list of games in which it is to be found. Need to think. Question: does this show the widespread awareness and popularity of the code? In what other ways can this be indicated? DGG (talk) 16:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The same way as always: With reliable, independent sources. How is the importance and relevance of a particular cultural reference determined? It cannot be self-determining, so it must be done by someone else. --Eyrian 16:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge to Konami code. Instead of a link to a main article just put all (or part of) the information there. -- Magioladitis 22:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep After reading the article, I see that the "Konami Code" is popular culture, partly because of its simplicity, partly because of the rhythm with which it can be chanted, partly because it's so silly, it's synonymous with dumb... "Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right"   Mandsford 22:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Look through the history for the main Konami Code writeup -- people are CONSTANTLY adding pop culture references there, and other people are constantly removing them. This subpage was created to provide an outlet, and most importantly, keep it off the main article. I'm obviously against merging it, and i feel that deleting it will have the same effect as merging it -- it would all migrate to the main page anyway. --Mike Schiraldi 03:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Mike's WP:BHTT argument notwithstanding, the konami code in popular culture is how most people even know it exists (t-shirts, tv shows, etc). Most of the people chanting it these days aren't even old enough to have played the games mentioned, so something else is making it re-popularized recently. (note: prior statement is admittedly OR, but if the article stays, it can probably be sourced and worked into the article itself to show cultural impact on the gaming subculture) spazure  (contribs) 10:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC) Prosify and Merge (with sources).. Eleland has a point, my previous keep vote was basically just WP:ILIKEIT seasoned with I've heard of it. The main article isn't so big that it couldn't use a cultural impact section, as long as it's sourced.  spazure  (contribs) (review) 02:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, list of minor trivia. &mdash;tregoweth (talk) 11:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Selectively merge back into Konami code or simply delete. (Since it has been split off there, there is in practice not much difference). The current list by itself (separated from the main article) is not very meaningful and comes close to an agglomeration of unsourced trivia, but also rather short; especially if one takes out the reimplementations of the code, which have their own article that could be expanded to include web based games and maybe even game sites. The Konami Code article, however, is not so long either and can hardly count as one of those 'high culture' or science articles that should be kept free of trivia. Rather to the contrary, the code itself is part of popular culture and its notability seems also to stem from the same code being repeated, reimplemented and reproduced, and some of it can and should be mentioned in the main article.--Tikiwont 12:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Take a look at what the main Konami Code page [used to look like]. If we delete or merge, this is what it's going to look like again.--Mike Schiraldi 12:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe not. Most of the stuff is completely unreferenced (as is the main article itself, BTW). I understand the problem and it is not a new one. Such lists are regularly split off from articles as some truce in edit warring. But they remain problematic or at least controversial and will then catch the attention of the general public. Articles for deletion/Orangutans in popular culture comes to my mind. Then we have more or less three alternatives, or sometimes rather factions:
 * Delete (and do not merge back),
 * Keep and do not merge back
 * (Selectively) merge back
 * I think this particular one is a case for the latter (and have now highlighted so above) because we 're talking about a pop culture phenomenon in any case and one article and one separate list should be able to accommodate all verifiable material.--Tikiwont 14:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, trivia. Interpreting a list of primary source references to indicate popularity constitutes original research, as explained here. --Eyrian 16:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per spazure .  --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 17:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete this is trivia and a list of loosely associated items.  Any cameo appearance in a "popular culture" medium would warrant inclusion Corpx 03:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Possible sources for a "cultural impact" article. I tried to review them myself, but apparently articles about video game culture aren't deemed appropriate material for accessing from a business machine. spazure  (contribs) 05:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * http://slashdot.org/features/00/11/27/1648231.shtml
 * http://www.columbia.edu/cu/thefed/v2/archives/18/18.2/18.2_nintendo.html
 * http://www.slate.com/id/2171993
 * http://www.articlesbeyondbetter.com/articledetail.php?artid=3911&catid=31&title=Playstation+Cheat+Codes:+Bridge+to+Exciting+Games
 * http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/international/games/features/110028.shtml
 * http://gamedropblog.mtv.com/2007/05/04/super-contra-coming-to-xbla/
 * http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2006082701059
 * http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2006/07/09-week/
 * http://www.vueweekly.com/articles/default.aspx?i=487
 * http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156889 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spazure (talk • contribs).


 * Delete/Merge what is the point of having a Konami code article which doesn't talk mainly about its impact on popular culture? One would think that is the major reason to have the article at all. Eleland 15:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete this is one of the worst pages I have ever seen. The subject on it's own is barely notable for an encyclopedia, let alone a list of times it was mentioned.  Do not merge back, just delete.  Dannycali 17:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
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