Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Korean War veterans who are recipients of the Bronze Star


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus, no policy or guideline-based reasoning given for deletion, therefore, it is kept by default. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 15:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

List of Korean War veterans who are recipients of the Bronze Star

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A puzzling page, given that this much effort has been put into an article for the fourth highest award for valor (and even then not always awarded for valor, but meritorious service), when there isn't a similar page for higher awards. But more than that, there is a category for this award already. All this does is include a picture. This page has also become a magnet for people adding the names of relatives, friends, etc.Nobunaga24 (talk) 06:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Soldiers with much more prestigious awards have gotten deleted. Somebody has way too much time on their hands. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - A category might serve the purpose better here Corpx (talk) 07:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.   —Nick Dowling (talk) 09:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete agree with all above. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 23:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep; and guideline notice: no policy-based or guideline-based reasons have been given for deletion. The only reasons given above are of the "I don't like it because..." variety.  The list is blue-linked, which makes it useful for navigating Wikipedia, one of the guideline-based purposes of lists. See: Lists.  No guideline gives categories priority over lists for this or any other purpose.  Besides, lists have the potential to be enhanced in ways that categories cannot, but not if they get deleted in the meantime.  The pictures are one such enhancement, and more enhancements may be added in time.  Please don't nominate lists for deletion unless they are violating a policy or guideline, or are causing a problem.  This one doesn't.   Th e Tr ans hu man ist    06:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - It is still a low level award, and receiving one is not a notable achievement in and of itself. It's an arbitrary way to list people - Korean War vets and bronze star recipients - why not a list of people signed to Sony Records who have been received a Grammy Award, or World War II vets who also fought in Korea. There is no rationale for this article other than somebody thinks Korean War vets who received bronze stars should be listed.--Nobunaga24 (talk) 07:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not arbitrary in the context that it's a piece of a whole - it's part of "List of bronze star recipients". There's no requirement to build the whole list all at once, or from the top down. If you are building a robot, you can start with just the left pinky.  The list supports the article Bronze Star Medal, and provides examples of recipients.  Th e Tr ans hu man ist    21:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOT - this is a meaningless classification of Korean War veterans who have at some stage in their lives earned the Bronze Star. It's not even a list of recipients of the Bronze Star during the Korean War. --Nick Dowling (talk) 10:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Frankly, this is a bizarre nomination. "We don't have X yet, so x can't exist." "Not all of these award recipients deserved the award"  "A category exists" "This article invites collabaration".  And the first few delete !votes are cause for concern, including an extraordinary bad faith comment "somebody has too much time on their hands", and a bunch of WP:IDONTLIKEIT's, and "X got deleted, so x must too".  I suggest close this bizarre mess and everyone go read the policies and come back when a good faith nomination and relevant participation can be provided.  In fact, for the first time ever, I !vote No consensus, which isn't even one of the allowed !votes, but it seems appropriate here, so I'll make it anyway. JERRY talk contribs 12:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a bad faith nomination, and to be honest, I find that a bit offensive. Nick Dowling's comment and the link he provides are a good summary of what is wrong with this list. It's a combination of two loosely related topics. Go back and read the link Nick provided. I don't think there should be a list of any award by war & medal, with the exception of the MoH. I was merely commenting on the fact that it was a puzzling award to make a list of this sort out of given that there are higher awards for valor and heroism than this (four to be percise - MoH, DSC/Air Force Cross/Navy Cross, Silver Star and Soldier's Medal/Airman's Medal/Navy and Marine Corps Medal).--Nobunaga24 (talk) 13:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not impune the motives of your nomination, just your rationale. I assume that you are trying to cleanup wikipedia and rid it of those things that you think make it's quality lower than it could otherwise be, and I salute that intention.  But the statements made by Clarityfiend leave no room for the assumption of good faith.  My phraseology "the first few delete !votes" was not some accidental or arbitrary writing, it was specifically stated to exclude Nick Dowling's comment from what I was talking about; in other words my comments only applied to the first 3 delete !votes and the nomination.  Now as for Nick's comment, a very valid one, it is one of content, not a criteria for deletion.  Some editorial discretion should occur elsewhere to make this a non-arbitrary cross-section of attributes. For example, inclusion criteria could be that the person had to receive a bronze star, and had to have received it for service in the Korean Conflict.  Then renaming it (also does not require an AfD) to "List of Korean Conflict Bronze Star Recipients" would probably solve the dilemma described by Nick. This AFD is unnecessary, and as nominator you should repeal it, IMHO. JERRY talk contribs 14:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


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