Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Korean family names (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was  k eep. - Mailer Diablo 10:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

List of Korean family names (2nd nomination)

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I previously closed Articles for deletion/Lists of names as "delete", but it has been noted that that AFD was weak on consensus, having only two users other than the nominator commenting. Therefore I have undeleted the article and opened a new AFD. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-21 05:23Z 
 *  Merge and Delete - An interesting list, but 'interesting' does not validate its own space on Pedia. The data should be kept, especially the figure regarding Kim. It should merge into Korean name if at all possible. Extant inside article already.  ALTON   .ıl  05:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, positively, without doubt keep. Korean name is an article about Korean names (both given and surnames) in general, and is not meant to house all the surnames, thus this article is the logical one for this data. We do, in many other subjects, have articles covering the broad subject (such as Johann Sebastian Bach), as well as other articles listing Bach's compositions, which provides an excellent and valuable reference that could not be easily contained in a single article. It is a waste of time and energy to nominate this for deletion a second time, and does nothing to advance Wikipedia's aims to be the best and most comprehensive encyclopedia. I frequently refer to the List of common Chinese surnames and this article is equally useful.    Badagnani 05:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletions.   -- cab 05:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * keep interesting and useful list. --Melanochromis 05:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep List has South Korean population figures, and readers can look at the list and compare population sizes between different surnames. That makes it encyclopedic.  Plus, article has room for expansion.  I'd like to see the number of Bon-gwans listed for each surname.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Contingent keep. The list is somewhat more useful than List of names itself, as there are a limited number of Korean family names.  However, for consistency sake, if List of names is deleted by consensus, I'd say delete this article as well.  --Nlu (talk) 06:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: at Wikipedia, I believe *reasonableness* is more important in such cases than stringent, legalistic rulings like "delete all lists of names." The fact that there are so few Korean (and Chinese, and Vietnamese) surnames makes it possible to list, and explain them, and I, for one, use these articles as a reference.  Cutting them out to fulfill the stipulations of some sort of severe ruling does not advance the cause of knowledge, nor our encyclopedia.  Badagnani 06:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep per Badaghani. Also, bring back all the other lists of names. - Peregrine Fisher 07:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: don't you think a list of, for example, European surnames (with all their infinite spelling variations) would be unworkably huge? I think that's been largely agreed on by consensus, with the exception being for the Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese surnames since there are so few of them. Just my comment.  Badagnani 07:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Chinese surnames may be relatively few, but they're not that few. The Hundred Family Surnames are not comprehensive, and there are many, many rarer surnames that nevertheless are used.  I suspect that to be the case with Korean and Vietnamese names as well.  I do believe that they're few enough that a list will still have some use, but I think that if the other lists are all deleted, this should go, too, for consistency.  --Nlu (talk) 13:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * With regard to Korean surnames, this list is fully comprehensive, as it includes all surnames registered in the South Korean census. The only thing it leaves out are a handful of names which are attested historically but are not carried by any living person (or at least not by anyone in South Korea).  -- Visviva 14:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep this interesting and useful list. --Mumun 無文 10:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, encyclopedic though still needing improvement. Thanks to Quarl for kindly re-listing.  -- Visviva 10:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't see a valid argument for deletion. --Lambiam Talk  12:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Badagnani --MerkurIX(이야기하세요!)(투고) 12:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and also WP:SNOWRaveenS 13:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. The page makes sense because there are so few Korean names.  There have been two occasions in the past when I needed to refer to this page for my research, so I can attest to its usefulness.  -- Dominus 13:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - As a foreigner living in Korea, and trying to learn to read (both hangul and hanja), this is a great collection of information. -- Otebig 14:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - straightforward purpossful list which serves navigational purposes and can easily be its own article. WilyD 15:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - and more of the surnames should probably be turned into links. (Redlinks, and then bluelinks at some point). This will make the article usable for purposes of developing Wikipedia (one of the criterion of WP:LIST under which the existence of list is justified) Given that sites like rootsweb.co.kr are able to write non-trivial text (e.g. history) about many of the surnames, we should be able to as well. cab 10:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, but remove any material which is not properly sourced using reliable sources. Burntsauce 17:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Jegal 00:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Is there any good reason to delete this list? I don't understand why. Good friend100 13:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - Je suis d'accord. This list is a very useful and important list for a person who is researching about the ancestral history of Korea. Orthodoxy 20:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.