Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Kushiel's Legacy characters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I originally closed as merge per Jclemens. However, per Sanstein's appeal on my talk page and Reyk's disagreement with a merge, it seems consensus is against merging. v/r - TP 13:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

List of Kushiel's Legacy characters

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Consists only of extensive content summary from a series of novels, contrary to WP:PLOT and WP:WAF. This aspect of the series has no third-party coverage in reliable sources that is substantial enough, per WP:GNG, to be the basis of an article. If deemed necessary, the content can be briefly summarized in the article about the series, Kushiel's Legacy. Otherwise it is best presented in the Wikia wiki dedicated to the series, which appears comprehensive enough to assume that this content, or its equivalent, is already present there.  Sandstein  08:36, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 09:25, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 09:25, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: Per the criteria of appropriate topics for lists, this list of characters is a topic that is trivial, non-encyclopedic, or not related to human knowledge since it falls into what what Wikipedia is not by being a summary-only description of a fictional work, so it is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Also, notability guidelines apply to the inclusion of stand-alone lists, and the subject of this one, a list of characters from a fictional series, has not been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, so the topic of the list does not meet the general notability guideline. Because of this, I think this list is an unnecessary split of the several Kushiel's Legacy-related articles, where the plot and main characters are already mentioned, so it should be deleted. Jfgslo (talk) 01:29, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and merge the other AfD'ed character lists here. List of Characters articles rely on the notability of the fictional franchise, rather than independent notability, so unless there's an argument that there's no notability for the main topic Sandstein's and Jfgslo's notability arguments simply don't match practice. Further, the nominator's arguments are much more applicable to a merger than a deletion, which should have been tried first per WP:ATD. Jclemens (talk) 00:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, v/r - TP 00:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete- I agree with Jfgslo. This article cites no sources whatsoever. Per WP:LISTN, there would have to be sources discussing these fictional characters as a group- this list simply does not inherit notability from the work of fiction. The verifiability states that if there are no reliable third-party sources that discuss a subject, we shouldn't have an article on it; and an article is not exempt from this just because it is written in a list format. Since there are no independent sources for this topic, it is impossible for it to be anything more than pure plot summary. A merge has been suggested, but the obvious merge target already contains a character list of appropriate length. Since this article is unsuitable for a stand-alone article and a merge would accomplish nothing, deletion is the only option. Reyk  YO!  12:21, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete article cites no sources, thus failing the general notability guideline. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.