Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Lana Del Rey songs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. It appears from the discussion that the real questions here need to be answered somewhere other than AfD. If the concern is that this is partially duplicated, I recommend a formal merge discussion. If the concern is that no articles of this type should exist, then we need a centralized discussion (on either a WikiProject or somewhere in the Village Pump). Qwyrxian (talk) 06:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Lana Del Rey

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This is just a list duplicating the content of the three articles on the album releases by Lana Del Rey. No other musician has a page that just lists the songs, and was solely created as a result of another AFD in an attempt to find a better place to move other content. — Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 08:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC) *Delete per nom before we have a "list of songs" article for every artist who releases more than a solitary song. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:21, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Too late; see: Category:Songs by artist. RJH (talk) 18:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Not quite, that's a list of WP articles with common characteristics. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That category simply contains categories, as well.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 20:01, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It only includes categories, but I am certain we all know what each other means --Richhoncho (talk) 20:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Tangentially, when did everyone forget how to properly indent?— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 20:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:00, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep and close Did the nominator seriously just claim no other musician has a list of songs article? May I direct them to Category:Lists of songs by authors or performers? There's around 350 or so of the same type of lists. I know a lot of people say "lol" and they aren't actually laughing out loud, but I actually am right now. You got a better reason why the list should be deleted that is an actual reason an article should be deleted?  Statυs ( talk ) 14:09, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete— an unremarkable list that duplicates items found in the album articles. Till 14:20, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just because the list is in bad shape doesn't mean it should be deleted.  Statυs ( talk ) 14:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't call the list in bad shape. I said that it duplicates the items found on the album articles. Till 01:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Prepared to vote the same in the other 350 lists of the same premise?  Statυs ( talk ) 01:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I took "unremarkable list" as meaning the list is unremarkable looking. Forgot that it's a Wiki-term.  Statυs ( talk ) 12:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep: I'm laughing at this ridiculous nomination. Why exactly should this page be deleted? Category:Lists of songs by authors or performers--MrIndustry (talk) 15:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * For an artist with only one major label release, this list is pretty much unnecessary.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 00:07, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, so now the list is "unnecessary"? I thought this was nominated for deletion because no such other article exists. Very strange.  Statυs ( talk ) 01:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Why don't you stop being so condescending? I will accept that I was wrong that there are other articles of this type. However, as it stands, it is simply a duplication of the track lists on her two EPs and two LPs.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 02:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ageed. Try to assume good faith first, being condescending rarely results in a satisfactory discussion. Till 02:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, you've given no valid reason for deletion, which is annoying.  Statυs ( talk ) 03:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Condescending and telling you that you're completely wrong are two different things. You say one thing and change it when you know you're wrong. Can you please explain what "List of songs" is supposed to be? Since obviously it's not supposed to include songs that are on an album. This nomination needs to be closed asap.--MrIndustry (talk) 04:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Precisely. I've begun to make the list look a bit better; I don't have much time though, as I'm preparing to go away on vacation.  Statυs ( talk ) 04:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The article definitely looks better, but I'm not sure if it's at all necessary at this point in her career.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 05:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, unless the contents of List of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs are added in here (I assume that the songs in that list are actually "recorded," too.). Then this will become a useful reference for all LDR songs rather than splitting because some contributors are more interested in creating article space than worthwhile content. As creator of List of songs written by Bob Dylan I can assure you there are more unreleased songs in that list than songs LDR has recorded in toto and, probably one of those unreleased songs would get more Ghits that the whole of the unreleased LDR --Richhoncho (talk) 11:56, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That's what I'd like to see happen, but voting delete unless is rather silly, in my opinion. What if they aren't added? What would be your reason to delete?  Statυs ( talk ) 12:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The reason for delete is as a list of (released) recorded songs is all rather pointless and unnecessary - there is nothing new or different included (hence my comment about article title -v- article content) that isn't included elsewhere. If the supporters of the unreleased article had noted what you and I suggested we would not be wasting time with this AfD --Richhoncho (talk) 15:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Some of the songs on the unreleased page were not ever recorded. They were performed live.--MrIndustry (talk) 16:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Unrecorded songs? How trivial!!! You should appreciate that we are supposed to be building an encyclopedia, not a fansite for every every song performed by this or any other artist. Your comment above should read as "delete with extreme prejudice" --Richhoncho (talk) 16:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I just made a simple comment that not all of them were recorded. Britney's unreleased list has no songs performed live. Lana's does.--MrIndustry (talk) 18:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Stop bickering.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 19:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Richhoncho, you're in the wrong AFD. I asked why this list should be deleted.  Statυs ( talk ) 19:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Status, I shall repeat, The reason for delete is as a list of (released) recorded songs (it) is all rather pointless and unnecessary - there is nothing new or different included that isn't included elsewhere. --Richhoncho (talk) 20:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * My bad. For some reason, my eyes saw unreleased.  Statυs ( talk ) 20:07, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, no problem. --Richhoncho (talk) 20:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - I would second user Status arguments for Keep. By quoting Status, Did the nominator seriously just claim no other musician has a list of songs article? Yeah seriously?.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:16, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I was not aware that there was a precedent for creating lists of songs, when discographies surely sufficed and when "lists of songs" usually just include songs written by the artist, rather than duplicating a discography listing, which is how the page appeared initially.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 21:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You should NOT be nominating things you don't know about then.--MrIndustry (talk) 22:21, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no policy or guideline that states that. Just because I was not aware of the other articles before does not make this list any less useless on Wikipedia.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 22:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't been using Wikipedia that long and I still know that most artists have a list of songs. So I'm not sure why you're going around nominating articles and saying they don't exist when there's hundreds of them. You are targeting Lana Del Rey and I have no idea why.--MrIndustry (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not targetting Lana Del Rey. I'm only targetting these articles because they are not in line with the rest of the content of Wikipedia. Just because they both happen to be about Lana Del Rey is a coincidence.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 22:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, so you're admitting that you only nominated these articles because they're not in good shape? Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think that's an appropriate reason to delete an article.MrIndustry (talk) 22:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It is an appropriate reason when they do not fit in with what is acceptable content on Wikipedia.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 22:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please stop changing why you don't think this article is fit for wikipedia. Thank you.--MrIndustry (talk) 22:48, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No. The list of unreleased songs with more than half of the references pointing to bootlegs on YouTube and other websites? Not acceptable. The other quarter of the references pointing to search results in databases? Not acceptable. This list of songs that's just duplicating the very small released discography? Not acceptable. These two particular pages have no place on Wikipedia, and I would appreciate if you stopped using "lol" in your edit summaries because it shows that you are not here to work on a serious encyclopedia and you are only trying to make sure that Wikipedia keeps this massive walled garden of any song ever released by an artist that I've already told you at least 3 times now that I am a fan of, but not clearly as much of a fan as you.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 22:48, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey guys, stop edit-warring on both the actual article and on the articles AfD now before you both get out of hand completely. It will only lead to misery for one or both of you. Just move on. This is starting to look ridiculous. --BabbaQ (talk) 22:52, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I stopped reverting because there was no point and it seems he's fixing some of the sources now.--MrIndustry (talk) 22:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It turns out that much of the sources on the other article do indeed violate WP:BLP. However, I will not touch them, again (even though edits to remove content that violate BLP are exempt from edit warring rules).— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 23:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You two are in a way to infected edit-war and need to let other users deal with this article. --BabbaQ (talk) 23:04, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.