Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Legends of the Hidden Temple episodes (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Acather96 (talk) 18:13, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

List of Legends of the Hidden Temple episodes
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Violates WP:SYN (fans put together the production numbers of the episodes), WP:EPISODE (there is no reliably sourced commentary on the individual episodes apart from what we can say about episodes of the show generally), and WP:NOT (which this article appears to be, although it does seem to be useful, but that is not an argument to keep). RJaguar3 &#124; u  &#124;  t  17:53, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:15, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep list of episodes of TV show which aired on a national network. Just because the article lists no sources doesn't mean that there aren't any--more like BEFORE would dig them up if the nominator had bothered. Jclemens (talk) 18:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, there are no sources whatsoever for the arrangement of episodes within each season. (I'm fine, for now, with the divisions of episodes into seasons on the basis of the year of copyright indicated in each episode.)  The episodes did not air in order, and, generally, production numbers for episodes have not been disclosed.  This is entirely original research done by fans of the show (the "methodology" of assigning production numbers appears in the article, for the curious).  These results have not been published in a reliable source outside of Wikipedia nor confirmed by someone in the know (whose writings may satisfy WP:SELFPUB).  Even if the list were verifiable, it would still likely fail WP:EPISODE and WP:NOT.  RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  19:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep We normally make articles like this for reasonably important shows. A RS for the episode list is IMDB, which is highly reliable for this sort of information, and gives exact dates of airing, which could well be added to the article.   DGG ( talk ) 19:07, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you are aware, but IMDB's coverage of this show is horribly inaccurate. The episodes were not aired in production order, and I do not know of any corroborating sources for the original airdate.  The production numbers floating around (apart from 2 which appear to come from studio master tapes) appear to have spread from some Legends fans who determined that the shows were for a time airing in production order in reruns on Nick and Nick GAS; nowhere has this methodology been verified by a reliable source.  The original airdates for some season 2 episodes (such as "The Golden Stallion of Ali Baba", claimed to have aired on May 9, 1994) directly contradict reliable sources stating that the show's 2nd season first aired June 6, 1994 (see article).  The airdates also do not really take into account the show's original broadcast time on weekends and the show's move to weekday airings in February 1994, which is well-documented in both TV listings and the Variety article included on the page.  As can be verified by TV listings from the LA Times (which I checked for September 1993 to February 1994), no episodes were aired on weekdays (like September 17 (a Friday), September 24 (a Friday), September 29 (a Wednesday), and so on).  It is hard to believe that new episodes of a new season would air only once to three times a week instead of five days a week.  Until I corrected them, IMDB listed the show's premiere as September 18, 1993, which appears to come from an early fansite making that claim, and contradicts all other reliable sources about the premiere date (EOTVGS, LA Times TV listings, Complete Directory to Prime Time and Cable TV Shows 1946-present).  In all, I don't see how IMDB could possibly serve as a good source without corroboration from other reliable sources or primary sources.  Without reliable coverage of individual episodes of the shows, I fail to see how this article meets WP:EPISODE and WP:NOT.  RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  21:29, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - per DGG.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:37, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. So its not perfect, it probably never will be. Lists like this are pretty standard fair for notable tv shows. Szzuk (talk) 18:05, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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