Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Leica cameras

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:23, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

List of Leica cameras

 * Wikipedia is not a product catalog. The original submitter deleted the original content of this page. -- Egil 06:29, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * If the original author blanked it, it can be speedy deleted. Dave the Red (talk) 06:52, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, cameras are encyclopedic. Kappa 07:37, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, Leica camera's are very notable, all models are of historic interest. Klonimus 02:01, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Question: Are cameras less encyclopedic than mobile phones or the Hasbro Darth Vader Voice Changer (if that turns out to be retained, as seems to be the case)? I noticed a while ago that a vacuum cleaner was voted to deletion. Why keep mobile phones, but not vacuum cleaners or Leica cameras? I am not really strongly advocating either side (and it would perhaps be a bit of a waste to throw out all the Nokia stuff), but it would appear more reasonable to keep cameras which have been around for decades and seem to have a kind of cult following rather than mobile phones which are definitly outdated and possibly forgotten in another year or two. / Uppland 09:57, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Adding to the above, it seems User:Kappa now has restored the content that the original author removed. Obviously, certain cameras are encyclopedic for various reason. But whole catalogs of all cameras manufactured by a certain manufacturer is not. Especially not so when they seem to suggest that every model should have an article on their own. This is totaslly silly. So delete, or merge with the original Leica article if there is anything of interest there. And yes, if there exists lists of all Nokia phones made, suggesting articles for each and every model, they should certainly be treated likewise. -- Egil 10:01, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge per Egil. See Deletion_policy/Brand_name_products for a discussion on this exact sort of thing. Radiant_* 10:40, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Where does that policy say "merge huge lists into the parent companies' article"?
 * (question by Kappa)
 * That isn't policy, it is a discussion on this exact sort of thing. I figured that people voting on this VfD may be interested in joining that discussion. Radiant_* 12:52, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep &mdash; See List of Canon products, Nikon Corporation, and List of Olympus products, for example. So aparently wikipedia is a product catalog. LOL. &mdash; RJH 14:47, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It Wikipedia is becoming a product catalog, this must be corrected. The Canon and Olympus lists are now up on Vfd. Nikon can be fixed in situ. -- Egil 17:41, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the list but redirect all of the red links to a single generic page on the products. -- 8^D gab 15:24, 2005 Apr 6 (UTC)
 * Keep, but lists of this sort would be better presented, not as lists of mere links, but as lists of short descriptions, in the style of List of recurring characters from The Simpsons. Shimmin 17:37, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Leica. I have decided to Be Bold and merged the information onto the page but change the list from Wikilinks to normal text, as well as redirected the pair of stub articles to the Leica page as well; I haven't redirected this page to Leica yet though in accordance with the VfD policy.  Someone feel free to let me know if this was an unwise choice. Arkyan 19:41, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to Leica, but only the particularly important models. Wikipedia is not a directory. It is not an aid either to purchasing current models nor a guide to collectibles. A very few models are undoubtedly famous. What model(s) did Cartier-Bresson use? But if they're worth describing, they're worth describing in the Leica article, which has plenty of room. And if they're not relevant to the general topic of the Leica, then they certainly don't need separate articles. Dpbsmith (talk) 20:07, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: List of Ford vehicles has existed for more than two years without complaint, and while it could certainly be improved further, seems to be a reasonable article. Is the difference between a car and a camera simply one of personal interest? Shimmin 20:16, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * The difference would be the ubiquity of Ford as an automobile manufacturer over Leica as a camera manufacturer. There is also the size of the lists to take into account - the list of Ford vehicles is several times as long as the list of Leica cameras.  I don't think anyone has anything against the list, it just seems better suited as a part of the main Leica article than a seperate entry. Arkyan 20:44, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable information.--Gene_poole 06:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I wish I was rich enough to have a Leica. Samboy 08:12, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree Klonimus 06:02, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, needs more info though. -- Lochaber 13:26, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand into more detailed descriptions of cameras which do not in themselves deserve their own article, and create articles for particularly notable models. -- Karada 13:29, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.