Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Lincoln-Kennedy Assassination Coincidences


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The result was delete. Redirect at your pleasure.  Kurykh  02:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

List of Lincoln-Kennedy Assassination Coincidences

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Unsourced, speculative WP:OR. Anyone with time in their hands can come up with a list of "coincidences" like this. Delete. Blanchardb- Me MyEars MyMouth -timed 01:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is OK as a bit of fun trivia but it sure as heck doesn't belong in an encyclopaedia. --DanielRigal (talk) 01:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Recast as an article about the uraban legend rather than a retelling of the legend itself. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Unencyclopedic, indiscriminate and unmaintainable list. Blueboy96 01:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as yet another repost of speedily deleted material. --Hnsampat (talk) 01:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * db-repost doesn't apply to speedies. Blueboy96 01:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Point well taken. However, I still say strong delete as unencyclopedic trivia (which, by the way, also contains numerous factual errors). --Hnsampat (talk) 02:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Assassinate per nom. This list has it all wrong: lacking in context, indiscriminate information, original research, trivia, unsourced, unwikified... highly inaccurate (check Snopes)... Ten Pound Hammer  • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep only if moved per W.Marsh's suggestion. A page on the urban legend behind this all (like what Dryguy has) could be a viable page. I'll take a whack at it. Ten Pound Hammer  • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete but hey they missed the best one of all....one week before Lincoln's assassination he was in Monroe, Maryland. One wekk before JFK's he was in Marilyn Monroe. Wildthing61476 (talk) 02:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC) (sorry an oldie, but a goodie)
 * Ah yes, I remember that one (even though Marilyn Monroe died more than a year before Kennedy was assassinated.)--Hnsampat (talk) 02:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Question Didn't we used to have an article that discussed the history of this list and its role in American folklore? I'm pretty sure it survived AFD a while back, but I can't find it anywhere. Zagalejo^^^ 03:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply Yeah, I've seen a list like this somewhere before, long before Wikipedia was born, but what you are talking about here is not even addressed in the article. Fact is, without mention of such an influence, this list does not belong here. --Blanchardb- Me MyEars MyMouth -timed 03:33, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * To clarify, we used to have another Wikipedia article about this topic. That one provided some context and history for this list, and it survived an AFD. I'm just wondering what happened to it. (I know it was in Category:Urban legends at one point; unfortunately, I don't remember the exact title.) Zagalejo^^^ 03:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, here's the discussion: link. Apparently, the article was later deleted as a copyvio. There's still a version of it in userspace, though. Zagalejo^^^ 03:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't think Dryguy's version was a copyvio. It may have been a later edit to the page. Zagalejo^^^ 04:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unencyclopedic, OR. Maralia (talk) 03:58, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, speculative OR. Could always be recreated later if enough sourcing and WP:V is met with a new article.  Cirt (talk) 04:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC).
 * Is there any reason why we couldn't restore this one? The June 2007 version of Lincoln Kennedy coincidences was deleted as a copyvio from Snopes, but Dryguy's draft was original, as far as I can tell. Zagalejo^^^ 04:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment I've seen this article in another form, and the Lincoln-Kennedy coincidences has been a subject of discussion since, well, 1963; not only as trivia, but also as an example of forcing the facts to fit a theory, making stuff up (Lincoln did NOT have a secretary named Kennedy, although JFK's secretary was Evelyn Lincoln; in fairness, author acknowledges this), and finding patterns that are not that interesting or uncommon. Sadly, the author is guilty of all these things.  The page doesn't cite a single source (though Lord knows there are plenty of them), and some of this is OR in the sense of synthesizing material to make your own theories.  The Lincoln-Kennedy "trivia" has been a part of mid-60s pop culture as well as debunked nonsense, kind of like 1963's version of "The Bible Code", so while this article should be deleted, it's a noteworthy topic.  Mandsford (talk) 05:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep the difference between this and OR is that 3rd parties have done the research themselves. Numerous websites list these similarities, and a book was even written comparing them .  Perhaps a name change, but there is something behind this. Joshdboz (talk) 13:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Lincoln Kennedy coincidences urban legend as this is a more appropriate title and layout. Joshdboz (talk) 13:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject of the article is notable enough for inclusion. Having an entire book published on the subject usually indicates notability, and multiple other reliable sources are easily found. Rray (talk) 13:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Almost certainly original research, no citation of reliable sources, or any source for that matter. Most satify notability, but there is nothing that can be verified, and there are many, many claims. Rt . 14:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep/rewrite but move to something like Lincoln Kennedy coincidences urban legend. This is one of those things that an encyclopedia doesn't cover because the premise (that the coincidences are all true and meaningful) is true, but because it's so widely known and reported on that the legend is a notable topic. For the coverage I refer to, see, coverage dating back to 1964 apparently by mainstream sources. User:Dryguy/Lincoln Kennedy Coincidences is a good place to start with the improved article, if that isn't a copyvio (I assume not). --W.marsh 15:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)--W.marsh 15:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as unsourced, unencyclopedic speculation. Biruitorul (talk) 18:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete I've seen this as a chain email. Dchall1 (talk) 19:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I was bold and moved Dryguy's draft into the title suggested by W.marsh. I've checked several phrases and see no evidence of a copyvio. Zagalejo^^^ 20:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * In that case the best outcome for this article is to redirect it to that one. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll second that. At least the newly created Lincoln Kennedy coincidences urban legend has some encyclopedic value. --Blanchardb- Me MyEars MyMouth -timed 03:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete and redirect to Lincoln Kennedy coincidences urban legend per W.marsh. The list is not significant as history but is a well known piece of folklore. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as description of this venerable urban legend per comments of DanielRigal and W.march. --Lockley (talk) 18:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect per Joshdboz. Looks like a good way to keep valid encyclopedic content and remove WP:OR -FrankTobia (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.