Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Lithuanian Grammy Award winners and nominees


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The result was Delete Most, Keep some. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, XFDcloser seems to have eated my original closing statement. The gist was that despite the WP:TRAINWRECK potential, we did get good agreement on most of those.  I'm going to keep just those that were called out in any way for special treatment, and delete the rest.  For the ones I kept, WP:NPASR applies.  -- RoySmith (talk) 17:16, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

List of Lithuanian Grammy Award winners and nominees

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This is a single item list, which is insufficient to justify a stand-alone list. The list could be easily replaced with a statement in the parent article for the artist. Dan arndt (talk) 01:00, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason (as above):


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 * Comment - the other point to note is that Gabriela Lena Frank is an American not Lithuanian. Dan arndt (talk) 01:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete all along with, as I know that you know, List of Beninese Grammy Award winners and nominees, which I nominated on the same grounds under its own discussion. To repeat my rationale there, "It seems odd to have a list article with a single entry. Further, given that there's only one person on this list, I suspect that there are no sources to support the notability, such as would satisfy WP:LISTN, of the compiling of all [X-ish] winners and nominees of Grammy Awards into a list." And all the more for the Lithuanian. Good grief. The title of the article isn't "List of Grammy Award nominees with Lithuanian fathers" Largoplazo (talk) 01:37, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I just edited that list as I would edit any list that I found to contain an item that didn't meet the inclusion criterion: I removed the item from the list. So now it's a list with zero items. Largoplazo (talk) 01:43, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * you may wish to do the same for List of Peruvian Grammy Award winners and nominees, as it also relates to Frank's parents not her.Dan arndt (talk) 02:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete all per above. Renata (talk) 01:50, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Merge all small lists to List of Grammy Award winners and nominees by country as we do with List of Nobel laureates by country. Störm   (talk)  13:46, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * This looks a bit like a Trainwreck waiting to happen. Some of these lists do indeed have just one item; those should probably be deleted. Others, such as List of New Zealand Grammy Award winners and nominees (not one item, but 18, fer crissakes!) down to List of Irish Grammy Award winners and nominees, are quite long lists and should definitely be kept. The following have five or more items and should be kept:
 * List of Chinese Grammy Award winners and nominees - at least 20 items (needs formatting)
 * List of New Zealand Grammy Award winners and nominees - 18 items
 * List of Panamanian Grammy Award winners and nominees - 17 items
 * All of which are by just one artist - could easily be included on that artists page.


 * List of Malian Grammy Award winners and nominees - 16 items
 * List of Dominican Grammy Award winners and nominees - 7 items
 * All of which are by just one artist - could easily be included on that artists page.


 * List of Cape Verdean Grammy Award winners and nominees - 6 items
 * All of which are by just one artist - could easily be included on that artists page.


 * List of Beninese Grammy Award winners and nominees - 6 items
 * All of which are by just one artist - could easily be included on that artists page.


 * List of Irish Grammy Award winners and nominees - 5 items
 * Almost all of which are taken directly from U2's Awards page


 * List of Nigerian Grammy Award winners and nominees - 5 items
 * Only 3 different artists, one of which is a collaboration


 * List of Uruguayan Grammy Award winners and nominees - 5 items
 * All of which are by just one artist - could easily be included on that artists page.
 * By the way, I arrived here by sheer chance; virtually none of the lists have been tagged with AfD tags. Grutness... wha?   13:58, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment, when the article’s were originally listed they all had only one legitimate artist listed. Since then some like the New Zealand list have had marked improvements others however have gone backwards and now have no artists listed. I am happy to go back and strikeout those that now meet a basic list (i.e. multiple listings). Dan arndt (talk) 14:30, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * List of Japanese Grammy Award winners and nominees would also fall into this category; it's the only one I checked. It looks like the AfD tag there went up on January 27. (I have no opinion on whether all of the lists should be deleted on other grounds.) Dekimasu よ! 21:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete all. No valid reason to split up an American award by every nationality of each artist who has won or been nominated for the award. I don't see that it matters whether the list of 2 or 200. This list is artist driven; I doubt the topic by such a division is discussed in reliable sources. It seems valid to have lists such as those found in Category:Lists of Nobel laureates by nationality to the prestige of the prize and notoriety the individuals achieve in their countries. Also, as noted on List of Nobel laureates by country, "the list ranks laureates under the country/countries that are stated by the Nobel Prize committee on its website". The only reason for these lists seems to be that the artists just happen to be from those countries without other significance placed on the origin by winning this awards. Is there a need to have such lists for every music and acting award? -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:19, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: List of Panamanian Grammy Award winners and nominees is for one nominee. Same for Dominican and Cape Verdean.-- Auric   talk  10:55, 23 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge - All items could be included in a List of Grammy Award nominees by country and just give a heading for each country. No need for separate articles. Note I took the winner name out since all winner are nominated and it is just shorter and cleaner. -  Galatz Talk  15:48, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment A single List of Grammy Award nominees by country would be a frighteningly long list, especially, for each person, we list all the nominations. Largoplazo (talk) 16:20, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed and I thought about that. At first I was going to suggest categories since they don't seem to exist, but when I look at List of Malian Grammy Award winners and nominees, not all have pages. You could change List of Israeli Grammy Award winners and nominees into Category:Israeli Grammy Award winners and nominees and it would get the people across, but that doesn't apply to every country. -  Galatz Talk  16:35, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There should be no category for nominees. At best, diffuse Category:Grammy Award winners since it is a large category. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:55, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Then you should nominate Category:Academy Award winners and nominees by nationality or region and all its subcats for deletion. -  Galatz Talk  22:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - I note that an editor has just created List of American Grammy Award winners and nominees, which is essentially trying to create a list of Americans who have won an American music award. Apart from that a number of individuals/bands on that list aren’t even American: George Harrison, Celine Dion, Boy George, Coldplay, Daft Punk. It seems that they were in such a hurry to create the list that they didn’t both checking the entries on the list they were creating. Which is similar to most of the lists above. Just seeking a view as to whether List of American Grammy Award winners and nominees should be included in this discussion or at a separate AfD. Dan arndt (talk) 23:17, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I know someone (you?) already told him they're on the brink of bringing him to admin attention. If, after everything that's been discussed, he's still adding false information to Wikipedia, whether deliberately or recklessly, it's time. Largoplazo (talk) 23:20, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Comment - I'm proposing all these short (1 or 2 entry) and contriversial articles for speedy deletion as everyone suggested, and some wikipedians suggested they should be added to List of Grammy nominees by country as seperate sections. I hope this will reduce the errors I've created. How does it sound? মাখামাখি (talk) 12:44, 24 January 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete all per nom/Largoplazo.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:35, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete all These lists do not have content which justifies standalone lists and a merged list fails WP:SALAT: Lists that are too general or too broad in scope have little value... As well, lists of people by nationality is always difficult (does Rod Stewart get listed as British or English or Scottish or American?) and the inevitable disputes are timesinks. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:47, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 05:58, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment More lists have been added to this nomination since it started a week ago and after most of the discussion above. Can those ones be specified or perhaps they should be nominated separately? Even if the rationale is the same, it seems sneaky to add them in after people have contributed to the discussion. Thanks. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 21:03, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * List of Nigerian Grammy Award winners and nominees - To be frank, if it was only "List of Nigerian Grammy Award winners and nominees" that was nominated, I would have voted keep, mainly because reliable sources always cover significantly whenever a Nigerian musician is nominated for the Grammys, see 1, 2, 3. When I say Nigerian musicians, I mean the ones based in Nigeria, not merely of Nigerian descent as properly listed in this article. However, the list will be susceptible to additions of musicians of other nationalities with Nigerian descent, or even Nigerian musicians not based in Nigeria. Ideally, the likes of Seal, Sade Adu and Chammilionaire should not be eligible as rightly seen in the article, but another editor might feel it is disrespectful to their heritage not to include them, and I will definitely revert such edits. So to avoid a potential edit warring situation, I am slightly leaning to a delete. HandsomeBoy (talk) 23:22, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete one item lists, as three wikipedians suggested, and Merge their items on List of Grammy Award winners and nominees by country, there are several wikipedians commenting here, "delete all" without checking the articles even. I suspect it as some kind of revenge theory and unencylopedic. They've earlier collectively protected some non-notable articles which fall under the same criteria as this article. As several wikipedians consented to keep multiple-item articles, I think the 4-5 articles which were emptied, like Peruvian, Lithuanian, must be deleted. There is such articles for Academy Awards also. Like, List of Best Supporting actress winners by age or List of Michigan actors is totally non-notable. So, these articles are much better than these, so should be kept. মাখামাখি (talk) 12:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
 * "It's better than our worst articles" isn't a valid argument for inclusion. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Largoplazo (talk) 13:59, 4 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete all: Along with sourcing issues, many are even placed in the wrong lists. MT TrainDiscuss 04:04, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * del all arbitrary classification, i suspect no other source keeps such national lists.- üser:Altenmann >t 02:30, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Strong delete all: Especially the page initially nominated for this discussion, which has no entries. All pages appear to possess arbitrary categorization. As well, many of the nations listed, such as Croatia, Norway, and Cape Verde, simply do not have enough entries to justify standalone list-articles. The Cape Verde list, in particular, only features one solo musician who was nominated multiple times. The information presented in the articles can be useful, so long as it is correct. But many of these articles are weak by themselves. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 00:29, 8 February 2018 (UTC)


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