Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Major League Baseball attendance figures


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to list of MLB seasons, as there is a clear consensus this does not belong as a standalone article. There's significant interest in a merge, so history will be left intact. Whether, what, and where to merge is an editorial decision. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:18, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

List of Major League Baseball attendance figures

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Fails WP:NOTSTATS. Taking this article to its logical complete state would include every team from every season since 1871. => Spudgfsh  ( Text Me! ) 21:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - clear case of WP:NOTSTATS. GiantSnowman 11:35, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge into relevant MLB season articles (i.e. section "2012 attendance statistics" to be merged into 2012 MLB season, ect.) then redirect to List of MLB seasons. Dolovis (talk) 14:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. No satisfactory explanation is given for how this supposedly violates WP:NOTSTATS. It's important information, sensibly organized, and absolutely appropriate as encyclopedic coverage of sports.  The only specific objection given is that, when completed, the article would be too long in order to cover all the seasons of each league.  To which the answer is: So what?  Wikipedia is not paper.  When the list gets longer, it can be divided into pieces as we do with all sorts of lengthy articles.


 * I can understand the objections that have been raised at Articles for deletion/Football club attendances (2006) with respect to attendance lists that combine different sports. But many of the editors at that AfD have commented that collections of attendance information for individual sports are encyclopedic. Attendance in the major North American sports leagues receives continuing coverage and is vital to an understanding of those sports.  Deleting this sourced, important information outright doesn’t accord with WP:PRESERVE and isn’t helpful to anyone.  The suggestion to merge this list into the corresponding season articles is something that can be discussed, although it doesn’t facilitate year-to-year comparison as well as this list does, and I don’t see any policy reason why a multiyear list isn't appropriate.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 14:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge - per Dolovis. The informtation is relevant and should be kept somewhere, but this is not the place.  As the nominator suggests, to actually make this list work it would need to cover all Major League teams since 1871, and that would be too large and messy to be useful.  But such lists within the individual season articles are appropriate and relevant, and that seems to be the best place. Rlendog (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Arxiloxos. Unlike Articles for deletion/Football club attendances (2006), attendance figures in leagues like this is normally discussed as a group by reliable sources, which means this list passes WP:LISTN. Merging sounds reasonable, but that can be discussed on the talk-page after this AfD is closed. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:33, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete... I'm gonna go with delete here... as this info (in it's present format) simply doesnt make sense as an article... Is the goal to list the attendance of every MLB team from the beginning of the 1900s? Individual team figures can be listed on the team or season pages... and perhaps these charts can be merged to the 2012 Major League Baseball season page (or appropriate earlier seasons) but keeping them in a chart like this is unworkable. Spanneraol (talk) 17:24, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.