Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Major League Baseball players named in the Mitchell Report by team


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete - consensus is that this page is redundant to the List of Major League Baseball players named in the Mitchell Report. If there is still a desire for a merge then that should be the subject of a talk page merge discussion. TerriersFan (talk) 22:05, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

List of Major League Baseball players named in the Mitchell Report by team

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This is redundant to List of Major League Baseball players named in the Mitchell Report. Anything that would need to be kept could be merged there, though I believe that breaking them down by team constitutes original research. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  — &mdash; alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 23:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. I agree w/Mu that we don't need both, given the redundancy.  As to OR, it is not clear to me that that is an issue with this list.  OR refers to facts for which no reliable, published source exists. The prohibition against OR means that all material added to articles must be attributable to a reliable published source, even if not actually attributed.  The report itself mentions the teams of many of the players.  Articles covering the report do the same.  Perhaps I'm missing something, but from my reading of the Report and those articles I've glanced at there doesn't seem to be an OR issue here.  But I do agree with Mu as to the fact that we could probably do with one list (in which event one with the teams, and a sortable by alpha table, would probably be best for the reader).--Epeefleche (talk) 00:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. It isn't original research, but I don;t see the reasoning behind breaking down an existing list at List of Major League Baseball players named in the Mitchell Report by teams. -- Whpq (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Based on your comments and a rereading of the situation, I'm striking the OR comment. As Kirk Radomski worked for the Mets and BALCO is based in the Bay Area, it would make sense for the teams in NYC and the SF Bay Area to have more players in the Mitchell Report than other teams. But I'm glad you both agree that there is no need for this list as a standalone. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes, I agree that we don't need two lists, and support you in that.  It's not clear to me still, however, which list is better to have.  I still lean towards a list in table format, listing teams (as this one does), that contains all info in both lists, and allows an editor to sort by alpha for team and/or player.  Given that, I'm not sure how to express my !vote at the moment.  I guess a poor man's version of addressing it for the moment, since we can't force any one to create a template, and I would not want to lose this team info, is to merge this into the bottom of the existing list, with a note on the talkpage that for cleanup a table format would be better.  We could then delete this article.  But I would prefer not to lose this info, which we now all agree is not OR.  Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I could see merging this table into the other article. Rlendog (talk) 00:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, now that the OR comment has been stricken. Rlendog (talk) 21:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I would not be averse to merging this list into the other article, as described by Epeefleche. Rlendog (talk) 00:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge. Per the above.  (Rlendog of course used 1 word to say what somehow I needed 50 to say).--Epeefleche (talk) 08:35, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete do not merge. First of all the list is redundant to the original Michell Report list, but I will oppose a merge because the list at its current form indicates that playing with the team makes the team have something to do with the steroids scandal (as it names every team the accused played for), which is incorrect. Secret account 01:39, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I myself don't see it as saying that. And I, for one, would be fine with Secret editing the merged article to indicate that such is not the case, for purposes of clarification.--Epeefleche (talk) 17:02, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete The list is redundant with List of Major League Baseball players named in the Mitchell Report. As the article says "but does not specify whether or not those players took illegal substances while on the team listed", I see no reason to list the team and a merge is not needed. —Bagumba (talk) 08:21, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.