Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Malayalam songs recorded by P. Susheela


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 21:22, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

List of Malayalam songs recorded by P. Susheela

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Fails WP:NLIST. This is a non notable intersection, virtually unsourced 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:06, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Lists,  and India. Shellwood (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 16:40, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Strongly Keep - This article is well referenced and such songs listings are well accepted in wikipedia. Previously, similar articles were up for deletion and have successfully survived deletion discussion. So, I Don't think when a singer sings more than 500 songs in a language and all of them are found in a reliable database (malayalachalachithram.com), that list can't be non-notable intersection. Abbasulu (talk) 21:21, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * None of that is valid for a strong keep. None of your argument and stating strong keep warranted.  scope_creep Talk  13:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NLIST and WP:SIGCOV. References are clickbait sites, IMDB equivalents, sites to discogs and profiles.    scope_creep Talk  13:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:NLIST and violates WP:NOR and WP:NOTDATABASE and, ultimately, WP:V. If the article cannot be adequately sourced from top to bottom then it is not suitable for Wikipedia. If someone believes that there is potential for improvement, then I would suggest a move to draft or user space for now. Also bear in mind that there would need to be actual significant coverage of this topic and not just simple verification that she exists and that her songs exist. There are millions of singers and musicians worldwide and we certainly do not need an exhaustive list of songs sung by every single one. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Just go and search for National Film Award for Best Male Playback Singer and National Film Award for Best Female Playback Singer. All of tgese three singers have earned at least 4 national awards. So, they are not any random singers out of millions of singers. Abbasulu (talk) 15:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * True, but what Spiderone is saying is that the singer AND her songs need secondary sources and be somewhat notable in their own right to belong to a list. I said keep for your other song discussion because I found a few somewhat reliable sources for most of the song, but this one I could not. Also, I advise you not to try and get similar minded people to support you, like you did by asking for my help on my talk page, because that could be seen as meatpuppetry.  MasterMatt12  💬 ● Contributions 15:55, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Spiderone, couldn’t find any sources talking about the songs individually other than the fact that they exist.  MasterMatt12  💬 ● Contributions 15:59, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin - Abbasulu has canvassed quite a lot of editors see here from 14:54 on 16 Jan onwards. I believe that this violates WP:CANVAS as the editor is notifying a very large number of editors that they know will !vote keep at the 3 AfDs and could potentially have a big impact on the outcome. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:00, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I just noticed Canvassing by author Abbasulu. This is not the first time they did this, see also. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 16:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge - The article does partially fail WP:NLIST because of reliable sources. I have noticed the discography section in the original article has missing songs, so I think the best option is to merge this article with that one.Abyan Malek (talk) 18:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm not sure why I was canvassed to this discussion, but "if someone asks you to provide a source, you're expected to provide a source" is such a basic fundamental of Wikipedia that it doesn't even warrant discussion. &#8209; Iridescent 19:47, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. I was canvassed to this discussion, most likely because I voted keep in a similar AFD. However, I agree partially with the nominator in this case. The article's referencing is poor; relying on content from unreliable websites. There also seems to be original content in the article and WP:OR is an issue. The sourcing here is too thin to pass WP:SIGCOV and as such the topic fails WP:NLIST and should be deleted. However, I strongly disagree with some of the deletion arguments made here. A list of songs recorded by a notable singer (which this one is) is not a non-encyclopedic cross-categorization as their recordings are directly tied to what makes them principally notable; their work as a singer. Discographies of singers are routinely published in academic reference works on musicians, so the arguments made here about the topic somehow being non-encyclopedic or failing WP:NOTDATABASE is absolute nonsense. The latter policy has four clearly defined criteria; none of which apply to this topic.4meter4 (talk)
 * Delete as per nom and above editors. Onel 5969  TT me 14:52, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


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