Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Manhattan Beach municipal parks


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep as re-scoped during the course of this discussion Star   Mississippi  01:59, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

List of Manhattan Beach municipal parks

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Does not satisfy WP:NLIST. – Meena • 09:56, 5 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  11:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography, Lists,  and California. – Meena • 09:58, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Why not have this as part of a list including all the parks in LA county? Category:Parks in Los Angeles County, California  D r e a m Focus  10:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * TY for your very good question. There are 88 incorporated cities in Los Angeles County (pop ~10 million), many operate their own parks. The county also operates parks. (There are also state parks within the city although those are already well covered.) The jurisdictional boundaries are moderately important, even if every single municipal city park is not. I was imagining that ultimately the larger cities in LA county (Glendale, Long Beach, Pasadena, Torrance, Santa Clarita) would have similar lists. There are also various trails, bike paths and beaches which sometimes have multiple “stakeholders” or cross the territory of multiple cities.
 * List of parks in Los Angeles - CITY - 21 have extant articles
 * Los Angeles County Department of Parks and Recreation - COUNTY - 183 parks mentioned, mix of cities and unincorporated areas, also manages Kenneth Hahn State Recreation Area on behalf of the state etc.
 * List of Santa Monica municipal parks
 * List of Culver City municipal parks
 * Beverly Hills, California - 5 mentioned are municipal parks, 1 county-operated park
 * Which is to say that a single list might get unwieldy. This list is part of a nascent organizational attempt! jengod (talk) 13:35, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, and expand. User:Jengod, as User:Dream Focus suggests, expanding the scope of this list would be helpful, and I suggest moving it to either List of municipal parks in Los Angeles County (and include upfront link to List of parks in Los Angeles and state that this one covers all but the ones in the City of Los Angeles) or to List of parks in Los Angeles County (in which case mention the state and national parks too).  I prefer the latter.  It would also address/avoid minor question of whether a sublist of just Manhattan Beach municipal parks are notable as a small group on their own.  The main idea is that of course "parks" are notable, and we can have a list of parks, worldwide, and we can sensibly break out subsections for nations, U.S. states, etc.  It is also okay to build up towards having a comprehensive list of parks in California or in the United States by building a list of Los Angeles County ones.  Which, as you say, could possibly become unwieldy already at that scope.  I suggest moving this to larger scope, which is obviously Wikipedia-notable IMHO, and adding some non-Huntington Beach ones.  It doesn't have to be all-inclusive immediately, it will be marked "incomplete list" as the current one is, and it can be divided into sections with one for Huntington Beach.  It doesn't need to include, at first, all of the logical sections of Los Angeles County, presumably one section for each municipality and one or more for unincorporated areas.  And, if/when it does become unwieldy, it is obviously fine to split out sections such as the Huntington Beach one to a separate list-article.  In Wikipedia we often work on very big lists, like I spend most of my Wikipedia time working on List of RHPs, a 90,000+ item list broken into sublists.  So, briefly, think big or at least think bigger, and go ahead and expand the scope.  Whether or not this is done immediately, the scope can be expanded and the list-topic of "parks" in some geographic area is fine, so this AFD should only be closed "Keep", although that can be with comment that this should be expanded. --Doncram (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, by the way, the general topic is so obviously notable that I rather think this AFD should not have been opened at all. The narrower topic of municipal parks in Huntington Beach can probably be proven to meet wp:GNG by rounding up sources on the collection of them and/or on each one of them, but that is not even necessary, we actually don't need sources unless something is challenged (and of course I do believe your assertions that these are parks in Huntington Beach). --Doncram (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: Seeing no objection, I went ahead and moved the AFD target article to List of parks in Los Angeles County, California and developed that somewhat. It now includes sections on parks in Beverly Hills, Culver City, Manhattan Beach, Santa Monica, and West Hollywood.  It is somewhat unusual to move an article when it is under AFD discussion, but doing so is not prohibited, and in this case I think it moves us all along in a good way.  I didn't add sources; I think there is no need to copy sources from the listed articles into the list itself;  there is no real question whether these are parks where they are, and no real question whether parks can be listed in Wikipedia.  IMHO this is ready to be closed "Keep". --Doncram (talk) 22:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)


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