Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Microsoft–Nortel Innovative Communications Alliance products


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Innovative Communications Alliance. Courcelles 00:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

List of Microsoft–Nortel Innovative Communications Alliance products

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Covered by the Innovative Communications Alliance article. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 22:10, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 22:10, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with the nom that this list of products is already covered in the parent article, and there appears to be no reason to split it off. That could have been dealt with just by redirecting it, though now that we're in an AFD, might as well delete because there is no edit history worth preserving and I'm having a hard time imagining this as a useful redirect. postdlf (talk) 22:12, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Ottawahitech (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I believe the sole reason for this deletion nomination  is to try and hide evidence (see all the redlinks in the list). Am I the only editor who believes that this nominator (with the help of a couple of others) is removing all historic Nortel related articles+lists+wikiproject+portal one by one? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:05, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * "Evidence"? postdlf (talk) 15:18, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * @ Postdlf, sure – I guess you have already checked the four redlinks in this list?


 * When I first came across these deletions that started with the deletion of the Nortel wikiproject in October, 2012, I tried to build a case  with evidence here. Unfortunately some editors objected and the page was archived prematurely. However if you check one of the suppressed sections titled Five articles from the suite of nortel articles have been nominated for deletion you will find several more redlinked/deleted articles. Reading these deletion discussions will provide links to several more older deletions…


 * But anyway, how about we start with this as the first  block of evidence?


 * You may also want to skim over some of the more current deletion discussions:
 * Articles for deletion/List of Nortel related articles
 * Articles for deletion/Avaya Application Server 5300
 * Articles for deletion/Avaya Secure Network Access


 * I’d be happy to provide more if you feel it is necessary. Ottawahitech (talk) 09:19, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * How about some WP:FAITH? Anyways, I don't see the problem, each article will is judged on its own merits. 1292simon (talk) 11:17, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect To Innovative Communications Alliance; and only because it's been around since 2008. Can't see the reason for this list to exist; the number of products involved in the relationship that is the subject of the article is too low to justify having and maintaining a separate list. § FreeRangeFrog croak 18:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * @FreeRangeFrog (btw did you notice that this list predates the article that you are proposing to merge the contents to?):


 * Who in your view will actually do the work of merging and making sure that none of the contents of this list is lost?
 * The creator of the list will probably not do it, since he is no longer active on wikipedia
 * One of the wikiprojects this article belonged to (wikiproject Nortel) has been deleted, so there is no way to ask any of its participants to help.
 * The other wikiproject this list belongs to (wp:WikiProject Microsoft) seems inactive at this point, so I doubt anyone from there will volunteer. Ottawahitech (talk) 10:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 06:29, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect, as per FreeRangeFrog. 1292simon (talk)
 * Merge and redirect per FreeRangeFrog. -DJSasso (talk) 13:02, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.